K2 portamento/glide script

[Theodor]

Thanks, thanks!!!!!!!!!!! *claps

Fizbin you rocked man, this is great and very inspiring.

NI should use this instead of the current sloppy glide feature in K2.

All the best to you sir!

[Theodor]

Back! Just wanted to say this is the best sample glide i've heard in any sampler to date. Very, very well done Jay. The scaling feature is also great and very clever.

I tested the script by loading the same Choir patch 4 times, re-pitching each load so there are different samples 4 times on the same key and then adding your script to 3 of the choir patches in the multi with different glide times. Then i turned the volume of those 3 down and made the first one have a large release.......... SOUNDS BEAUTIFUL!

Strings legato, choirs, flutes, everything is better with this!

Sorry to sound like a kindergarden kid but i'm really excited. I'll be using it all the time

Here's a small thing i just made up on the keyboard with the 5 x Choir and the script. The music is pretty crap but hey, the script works and especially in a full mix it will sound totally real.

Gliding through memories - Choir Glide

And this is one with the same trick as the choir but with EWQLSO strings:

Some are to forget - Strings Glide

Now i gotta sleep cause you kept me here all night and its 6:18 AM ! Even the rooster likes your legato man.

Thanks Jay, you're the man

[fizbin]

Sounds great Theo - I'm glad someone is using it.
:-)
fizbin

[Big Bob]

Hey Jay,
I'll join in with the KUDOS! I finally got around to playing with it, and, like Theo says, it does inspire ideas. I'm especially interested in some 'slide trombone' possibilities.

Would you mind if I massaged it a little? Perhaps I could incorporate some of Jesse Hopkins' ideas and some others that I'm sure will occur to me once I get into it.

You should come up with an honorary name for this technique, but, be careful that it doesn't set Jimi off!

Seriously, if you don't mind my writing another script based on your idea, I want to ask you a few questions about certain details of your code. Let me know how this sits with you.

Bob

[Theodor]

Just our of curiosity, is there any possibility of seeing a script that will re-pitch the same sample instead of gliding towards a newly played sampled?

I think that has its uses as well for some situtations and can really help the synth side of Kontakt 2 eg: Playing a simple sine wave this way would make it sound like an oscillator.

So as long as you are playing legato, it will be playing the same sample

Cheers

[fizbin]

Hey Jay,
I'll join in with the KUDOS! I finally got around to playing with it, and, like Theo says, it does inspire ideas. I'm especially interested in some 'slide trombone' possibilities.

Would you mind if I massaged it a little? Perhaps I could incorporate some of Jesse Hopkins' ideas and some others that I'm sure will occur to me once I get into it.

You should come up with an honorary name for this technique, but, be careful that it doesn't set Jimi off!

Seriously, if you don't mind my writing another script based on your idea, I want to ask you a few questions about certain details of your code. Let me know how this sits with you.

Bob

Hack away Bob. Looking at it now, there are certain things that seem difficult to remember the purpose of in the script (having written it 4 months ago) - I gotta get better at commenting the code. That would help the reverse engineering process. One potentially confusing thing I can explain is that there are 4 voices in the script, but more than 2 will only ever play if the glide time is relatively high and you hit a 3rd (or 4th) note before the 1st one glides into the second one and so forth. That's what those notes are there for - it seemed better to keep a handle on them during the fading and let them fade out on their own while continuing the pitch bend. If for some reason a fifth note squeaked in before the initial fade/glide time ended, the oldest note would get dropped, but hopefully would be low enough in volume at that point so that it would not be noticed. Make sense? Under normal circumstances you're hearing at most 2 notes crossfading during the pitch bend. The extra 2 voices are there for the not-normal circumstances.

As for honorary names, I thought about "The Coover Maneuver", then "fizbending", but finally settled on "Portamento". What do you think? It's got a nice ring to it.

fizbin

[fizbin]

Just our of curiosity, is there any possibility of seeing a script that will re-pitch the same sample instead of gliding towards a newly played sampled?

I think that has its uses as well for some situtations and can really help the synth side of Kontakt 2 eg: Playing a simple sine wave this way would make it sound like an oscillator.

So as long as you are playing legato, it will be playing the same sample

Cheers

I think this would be very easy to implement using the existing script as a template and stripping out a lot of the handling of the various voices.

[Theodor]

I think "Fizbending" sounds neat man, its technical and could become a standard. "Portamento" is a bit generic :- )

[DoctorZeus]

This works brilliantly!! One thing, though. Since you had to load 4 instances of the patch, there is no way to edit a portamento strings, for example, save it as a single instrument and load it at will... or have I got that wrong? I've only just got Kontakt2 so I may be wrong. You could save a multi, of course but then you couldn't open your portamento strings in an existing multi you were working with.

What would work, would be if the script could be edited to include a control to make it only work on a selected group (or group*s*, even better!).

Is this possible?

That way, rather than loading seperate instances of the instrument, you could copy the group several times, change the key mappings and volumes as before (but of the different group copies this time), open several instances of the script (up to 5, right?) and have them apply to different groups.

Then you can save the instrument complete.

Hope this can be done! Great work!

Back! Just wanted to say this is the best sample glide i've heard in any sampler to date. Very, very well done Jay. The scaling feature is also great and very clever.

I tested the script by loading the same Choir patch 4 times, re-pitching each load so there are different samples 4 times on the same key and then adding your script to 3 of the choir patches in the multi with different glide times. Then i turned the volume of those 3 down and made the first one have a large release.......... SOUNDS BEAUTIFUL!

Strings legato, choirs, flutes, everything is better with this!

Sorry to sound like a kindergarden kid but i'm really excited. I'll be using it all the time

Here's a small thing i just made up on the keyboard with the 5 x Choir and the script. The music is pretty crap but hey, the script works and especially in a full mix it will sound totally real.

Gliding through memories - Choir Glide

And this is one with the same trick as the choir but with EWQLSO strings:

Some are to forget - Strings Glide

Now i gotta sleep cause you kept me here all night and its 6:18 AM ! Even the rooster likes your legato man.

Thanks Jay, you're the man

[fizbin]

There is no feasible way to make the portamento effect work polyphonically on a single patch. There is no way for the script to know which notes you want to be glided to and which notes are polyphony notes. You see?

That's why Theo had to load as many instances as needed voices.

Regarding groups, if the groups are playing simultaneously, then only one instance of the patch is still necessary. You would still just be playing a multi-layered patch in monophonic mode. Only one real pitched note will occur - but more than one layer could be playing.

fizbin