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    A string mockup challenge for you...

    I took one of my favorite string pieces and attempted a mockup using GOS. I don't have a lot of time to spend on this, so I just did one little section and tried to fine tune it to get a result that was closest to the original.

    Here's the mockup. After my mockup is the real thing.

    http://www.samhulick.com/misc/whisper.mp3

    Now, to make this easier to mock up, I'm including that clip from the original soundtrack (WAV), and the original file in Sonar format, and in MIDI format. If the track names don't come through, they're in order.. 1st V, 2nd V, violas, cellos, basses.

    http://www.samhulick.com/misc/whisper.zip

    I'd like to hear serious attempts to mock this up, using each of these libraries:

    - SI Strings
    - EWQLSO
    - VSL (or Opus 1)
    - KH

    Spend a good hour or so on this and try to make it really sound the best you can. This is just about the best I can do with the time I have right now.

    Thanks! This'll be interesting, if anyone does it..
    Sam Hulick
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    http://www.samhulick.com/

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Ahhh....Meet Joe Black by Thomas Newman...one of my favorite scores.

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Just a note, to those doing mockups. The MIDI file I enclosed was just to let you know what notes are being played. Do NOT just plug that into your sequencer. It won't sound right with your sample library. You'll have to do this from scratch.
    Sam Hulick
    Composer
    http://www.samhulick.com/

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Sordinos in the original, and in yours it sounds like senza sord. + a blanket of heavy EQ. Harsh and synthy on my speakers, against the really soft and lush original. The performance is good, though. I think you want SISS for this type of stuff.

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Actions speak louder than words. I want to hear what SISS can do with this, as well as VSL/Opus, and EWQLSO. I'm being picky because I'm about to purchase another string library to supplement GOS. SI is nice, it's got some nice expression in there.. the strings have more vibrato. But it seems that GOS has better presence and a bigger sound.

    EWQLSO strings I'm not too familiar with. And I keep wanting to buy Opus 1, but I haven't heard anything "epic" with the strings thus far.
    Sam Hulick
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    http://www.samhulick.com/

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    That's one of my favorite scores too.... not to mention I love the sound of the strings in that. Too bad no one's recorded string that sound like that yet. Gritty, yet rich and smooth....

    I'm gonna say off the top that if this is the sound you want, QLSO is not gonna give it to you (while their stuff is good for some things, it's not got at that sound IMO).

    I second SISS.

    VSL could maybe work but it can get a little harsh...

    I have all three, but would probably chose SISS for that. Although none of them are gonna sound as good as that recording. (Side note --- I was just at a big scoring session on friday and it's ridiculous how good it sounds going straight to tape (actually pro-tools). Sorta drove home to me the fact that sample are never gonna sound as good as a room full of live players, therefore it's a waste of time killing yourself trying. Cuz it just won't. Also what it drove home was that "I" think too much about the articulations of the libs, when I should just be thinking about the music and what's best for it..... even if I know it's not gonna be done live I still should be thinking as if it is and making mental notes of that along the way..... I get too caught up in the samples is what I'm saying.


    Anyway.......



    Sorry, i don't have time to mock it up for you. But I am curious to hear what others do if they try it. Considering I really like that score.


    KID

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Is it just me or does anyone else hear a flute doubling the first violins? This, of course, is in the original audio file. I would swear there's more than just strings playing this...

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Hey, Marax was right.. they're muted strings. I used the GOS con sordino strings, and got this:

    http://www.samhulick.com/misc/whisper_sord.mp3

    That articulation has a quicker attack.. I could've slowed the attack a bit, but I'm not sure how.
    Sam Hulick
    Composer
    http://www.samhulick.com/

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    I emailed all my friends with different libraries and asked them to record it with their set-up and send it to me.

    Here is what I got from them.

    This one was done with the VSL Pro Edition Sord Strings, not sure of what reverb he used.
    http://web2k.mtco.com/neavor4/whisperVSLprosord.mp3

    This one was SISS sord...I think this is just Gigapulse
    http://web2k.mtco.com/neavor4/whisperSISSsord.mp3

    Same guy SISS legato...I didn't tell him sordino til I read a later post.
    http://web2k.mtco.com/neavor4/whisperSISSleg.mp3

    Different guy...Opus 1 sordino and he uses Pure Space for reverb
    http://web2k.mtco.com/neavor4/whisperOpussord.mp3

    I normalized them all and put them to 128 MP3. I also renamed them so it was obvious what they were. Enjoy.

    So what do you guys think? I think I wish I had all their libraries!!!

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    Re: A string mockup challenge for you...

    Hmmm....


    Listened to all 4... and my conclusion is that none of those mixes tell you what those libs are capable of. (to put it bluntly.) But it was sure nice of them to do it at all....

    I still think SISS is the call for "that" sound.


    KID

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