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    I think this is really needed about reverb

    the audio mixing tutorial is one of the best tutorials Ive ever read, so congratulations for that, its really awesome,
    now, however I think there is much much need for that future tutorial dedicated exclusively to reverb, - ive read about so many wonderful things in this forum over the last months and Ive learnt loads with them, but the only thing that has still not been explained well and clearly is reverb for orchestral work - in the audio mixing tutorial which again is wonderful there is just a very small overview of it, but we really need in my opinion, I at least I need, somebody to come and tell me

    - well, to make your composition , orchestral, big orchestral GPO composition, to make it sound as if it is in an acoustic space that resembles a concert hall, to transform that - Dry lifeless- sound into an exciting vibrating concert hall space, and following my experience I would recommend that you use any of these setups

    - if u use the ambience plug in, then choose the preset whatever, and then set up your instruments as sends, and use this amount for strings, this for brass, this for winds, and this for timpani, this for whatever, etc

    - if u use the SIR reverb, then do this do that etc etc

    etc etc

    one of the things I want to point out is that for example as an answer to one of my previous questions I was told that i should use 50% reverb on strings, 65 on wind, almost full on horns etc, etc, I mean, thats all very nice to understand the proportion differences between them, but that doesnt have much practical use, because the effect of those amounts will be completely different depending on the actual reverb we are using and the preset of the reverb we are using, thats why I need somebody , an expert that has been using GPO for a long time and is an expert in reverb, I need that person to come and tell me, look, I can make it sound like an orchesthra when I use this reverb (ambience for example) set to this preset (whatever) , the preset has this data (whatever) , and then strings send this amount, brass whatever, then harp only this, timpani that, cymbals whatever, etc, etc, so a complete integrated proposal of usage of reverb , I mean, that shouldnt be too difficult, people must have done it already, so why not just say look, this is what I do, this data, this reverb, this preset, these amounts, etc,etc

    I wish that the coming reverb tutorial will be something of this kind, at least thats the only thing that I find practical, sound engineering and mixing is a very complex art and topic, we can talk in fuzzy ways and vaguely about it for years and yet not be able to do anything decent in practice, and for people like me whose weak point is in that area, we need somebody to give us a real hand by helping us to set that crucial stage of the reverb with clear cut and complete steps because we just cant compose great and also become great sound engineers in a few months, at least I cant

    thanks again for your help, for this wonderful forum, for the awesome sound mixing tutorial and for all the great friendly people in here

    Jav

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    another question

    so do u think that the SIR reverb is a better option than the ambience plugin? does it need more CPU resources or is similar in that? could somebody compare for me these two options, ambience plugin and SIR please, advantages and drawbacks

    also Ive been told that there are a few impulses that were sent as email attachments or something like that, where could I get these impulses for the SIR? thanks so much

    one more doubt

    I use nuendo, in a PC pentium 4 3.2 ghz with 2 gigabytes of RAM,
    so when Im composing I do it without the reverb active, because if I have the reverb active in tuttis and all, the cracks come the computer cant cope, so seems obvious that we should compose without the reverb active, however once u activate the reverb then the relative levels of instruments change as the amount of reverb increases more or less the levels of each channel (if u give different amount of reverb to different instruments or sets of instruments)
    so 2 things I dont yet understand are:

    - do u apply one reverb to the whole thing, or one amount to strings, another to brass, another to winds, etc, etc, yes seems that we want to do the second thing all right, Im doing the second thing now, different amounts of the same reverb for each send, channel, instrument, etc

    - but then it would make sense to compose with the reverb active because only then u can see the differences in volumes that will be real afterwards,

    - however if u cannot do that because the computer cannot cope in tuttis, then what do u do

    so tell me your experience please, do u compose with all dry, or with reverb on, and if

    - if u compose all dry, then when u put the reverb later (using different amounts for different groups) dont u get in trouble because the relative levels of the different groups change and then the thing just doesnt sound balanced? plus dont u get clipping and cracks that u couldnt know they would happen before because the reverb increases the levels

    - and if u compose with the reverb on wet, dont u get problems because in tuttis etc the computer cannot cope with the thing sometimes, even in good equipment, I have 2 gigs ram pentium 4 3.2 ghz nuendo, and I can get this problem in full and partial tuttis



    thanks for any help
    Jav

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    and

    what impulses do u recommend to use with SIR? I heard about the 1800seatthater in noisevoult, is that good? what about the IRTheater that comes free with SIR? any other u recommend? where could I get them?

    do u recommend me to apply one SIR to the final mix, or individually in groups? this to strings, this to brass, etc, etc?

    as an insert or as a send? to each channel or to the final stereo mix?

    some people talk about doing a bit of reverb first to each group or instrument and then a final total for the final stereo mix,
    would it make sense then to give a bit of ambience plugin to each group of instruments and then a SIR to the final mix?

    thanks again
    Jav

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    I'd like to see some convolution reverb impulses recorded at some famous halls. I like Carnegie Hall. It would be nice to be able to recreate that awesome sound stage. There are plenty of impulses but many aren't pristine quality and are inconsistent.

    It would be nice to set up a matrix (say 10 x 10 = 100 impulses) so that instruments can be placed in a certain position. Only about half a dozen halls need be sampled, Carnegie Hall could be one. The Sydney Opera House could be another.

    Algorithmic reverbs with instrument placement in a 3D space would be nice, and it's possible to emulate those great halls. This is the best solution right now, as long as system processors can handle the strain.

    Still, convolution reverbs are the best if authenticity is what we want. But it's not the reverb engine (eg. SIR, ConvoBoy, PristineSpaces, etc), rather it's the IMPULSES that really matter.

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    Here is my best tip for reverb:

    Adjust your reverb levels listening on monitor speakers, NOT on headphones!

    If you try to set your levels while listening in headphones, they are guaranteed to be too high when listening on speakers, making everything sound too mushy.
    - Jamie Kowalski

    All Hands Music - Kowalski on the web
    The Ear Is Always Correct - Writings on composition

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    I definitely agree with that, thanks for that tip , Jav

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    Hi Javismiles, I hear you

    I know exactly what you mean about specific details with regard to different reverbs. The next tutorial will be about reverb.

    I am in the process of obtaining different reverbs for this very purpose so that the tutorial will include some specific details for some of the reverbs that are available.

    Thank you for your generous compliments!
    Dan

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    im so grateful for this Dan, do u have any idea of when it will be ready within a month from now? Im just working on the soundtrack for a short film that will be passed to cinema 35mm and the reverb is the only area where I feel unsure, nervous, uncertain etc etc etc, so Im looking forward to your tutorial a lot a lot a lot I will have to deal seriously with the reverb in about a month from now I think
    thanks again
    Jav

    Quote Originally Posted by DPDAN
    Hi Javismiles, I hear you

    I know exactly what you mean about specific details with regard to different reverbs. The next tutorial will be about reverb.

    I am in the process of obtaining different reverbs for this very purpose so that the tutorial will include some specific details for some of the reverbs that are available.

    Thank you for your generous compliments!
    Dan

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    It will be done way sooner than that, you could always send me the MP3 or the audio CD and I would be happy to check it out for ya!

    Dan

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    Re: I think this is really needed about reverb

    thanks loads! I look forward to it and if I need more help I´ll definitely contact u for that
    all best Jav

    Quote Originally Posted by DPDAN
    It will be done way sooner than that, you could always send me the MP3 or the audio CD and I would be happy to check it out for ya!

    Dan

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