How do you get someone to go beyond using loops?

[midphase]

Yeah, but it's not functional anymore because it became too big of a hassle to service and when I relocated to LA I left the towers (ie. the brains) back in Florida so all I have here with me is the keyboard for sentimental reasons more than anything. Kinda like having a Rolls Royce sitting in the garage with no wheels or engine block!

[Lunatique]

Some of my favorite bands use sampled snippets from various sources, and the way they work is a lot more similar to what Bruce said about Musiq Concrete than the typical loop kid. Meat Beat Manifesto is one of those bands--and although he (Jack Dangers) will sample anything from old Chanel commercials, rare funk records, TV interviews and debates, 50's sci-fi films..etc, he's also a bass player and also uses an arsenal of synths, drum machines..etc. His bass playing is what glues these snippets together, along with what he composed on the synths and programmed with the drum machines.

If the average loop kids will just compose even ONE original element in their Acid-looped tracks, I'd probably not have started this thread in the first place. That's all it takes to shut me up--ONE original composed element instead of just arranging commercially premade loops of beats, phrases, melody lines.

[Theodor]

There's two ways to make music. One is to make it with your heart, the other is to use your brain somewhere in the process.

[Angus_FX]

Perhaps then the real problem with loops is that the rightful performers seldom get credited.

Doesn't seem to me much different to people through the ages picking up folk tunes, adding their own licks, verses and variations.. or various classical composers taking inspiration from peasant music.. or 60s beat combos 'borrowing' from bluesmen. Music has always been collaborative; the performers on loop CDs are paid for their work and typically enter in to the bargain knowing that other people may leverage their creativity without necessarily giving credit.

It takes hundreds, if not thousands, of hard-working individuals to make a 'pop star' today. Certainly the musicians that make the loops may not get much credit... but nor does the 'artist's cosmetic surgeon, or the guy that invented Autotune!

[Mike Greene]

Certainly the musicians that make the loops may not get much credit... but nor does the 'artist's cosmetic surgeon, or the guy that invented Autotune!

. . . or the guy who fixed it so I can run VST plugin's on AU-only Logic!

- Mike Greene

[Jimi]

Some of my favorite bands use sampled snippets from various sources, and the way they work is a lot more similar to what Bruce said about Musiq Concrete than the typical loop kid. .

Some of my personal favorite sampled-to-hell-and-back albums are Beastie Boys: Paul's Boutique, and most anything by Big Audio Dynamite.