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    Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement Revisted

    Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement
    http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=368

    I'm celebrating my two anniversary of owning GPO by reposting my favorite Beethoven work (but not my favorite mock-up). But now, I am already looking ahead to GPOA. I want the problems to go away and everything to get easier!

    I actually posted this about a year ago in this this thread here:
    http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ht=algorithmic

    Two years ago, I received GPO and now I am looking ahead to GPOA. And what I am hoping is that GPOA will solve some simple problems with sample playback (most notably the "machine gun" effect). Instead of talking about articulations and sampling every instrument ever conceived, I want to talk about getting sampled instruments to actually playback the most commonly found situations in compositions: not just tremolos and trills, etc., but fast passages (a whole variety of them at different speeds), repeated notes and repeated figures (arpeggiations for example, will defeat a simplistic machine-gun-effect eliminator), different legato/portamento/glide options without laboriously "performing" them with lots of controllers (just specifiy one amount please and let the computer do all the necessary calculations) .. And so on and so forth. I am not qualified to list all the different compositional situations ...

    So this Beethoven piece is to remind me and everyone of the amount of work that needs to be done!

    YBaCuO
    GPO and Synful experiments; chaos-more chaos compositions
    http://ybacuo.wusik.com/

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    Re: Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement Revisted

    Amazing rendition of one of my favorite symphonies ! You certainly did a fine job on this piece. I never heard your first version, so I couldn't compare. But this one is very nice indeed. The only thing that made it sound a bit "wierd" is the tempo. In my honest opinion, the tempo you took, is way too FAST. A lot of the intended detail is lost when it rushed past. But other than that, you dealt with some of the problems you mention, very well.

    Kind Regards

    LouisD

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    Re: Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement Revisted

    This is actually the first version. Almost no attempt was made to eliminate the problems. The interpretation/performance is by Dr. Manfred Clynes using his Superconductor. I only did a midi-for-GPO conversion using the KeyKit language.

    I do not know why Dr. Clynes chose such a fast tempo, but the speed is a little addictive ...

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    Re: Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement Revisted

    Quote Originally Posted by YBaCuO
    ... what I am hoping is that GPOA will solve some simple problems with sample playback (most notably the "machine gun" effect). Instead of talking about articulations and sampling every instrument ever conceived, I want to talk about getting sampled instruments to actually playback the most commonly found situations in compositions: not just tremolos and trills, etc., but fast passages (a whole variety of them at different speeds), repeated notes and repeated figures
    YBaCuO,
    First off, this an excellent rendition of the Eroica given the difficulties you pointed out. I can see you have a clear vision of the Eroica and one that I respect. On the issue of repeated notes I have done a lot of trial and error (mostly error) and much more thinking and I am convinced it comes down to attack. Strings are capable of an infinite variety of attacks and the attack in repeated notes has not been replicated by the KS all purpose attack nor the short+sus or other samples. I too dream of the day I can rip a presto passage of repeated notes convincingly. Excellent job!
    Bill
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    Very good!!
    It has been a pleasure to hear this great music with your rendition!!
    Well, I think it has been a lot of work...
    Anyway you did a great job, in particular with the strings!!

    please do more!!

    Best regads to you,
    Roberto

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    Re: Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, 1st Movement Revisted

    Woohoo! I love this symphony! (As well as a certain someone's website about it ) You did a real nice job realizing it!

    My only comment is that in this mix the brass section (and maybe some of the woodwind section) seems to drown out the strings a bit too much compared to the recording I usually listen to. But this is of course based on my ears' bias
    Sean Patrick Hannifin
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