Forgive me for starting a new thread on an issue I already raised. I feel the previous thread has run its course, all suggestions tried and I am trying a new approach. Things are not good
I shall come on to the issues in a moment but first, a general request if there are any Finale/Sonar 5 users who are willing to help by trying a test organ Chorale file I have made, I have put all the permetations of the file up for anyone to download and experiment with. I must stress that this is NOT a serious arrangement, it is purely for testing organ patches. The files are Finale 2006, MIDI and Sonar 5. The link is at the end.
I have been in dialogue with Tom Hopkins, Robert Piechaud and Markleford on thie issue described below. For those non Finale and Sonar users, Robert wrote the superb 'Human Playback' feature in Finale and Markleford is an experienced, knowledgable Sonar person.
My Writing Process:
My music is prepared as a score in Finale 2006c using 'Human Playback. The file is saved as a MIDI file then imported into Sonar Producer 5 for mixing and adding effects. When I have the right mix and sound, I then export the finished music to audio ready for burning to CD.
Having mixed and balanced my file in Sonar using the Console (mixer), when playing back, the file ignores my mixer settings. In order to get my mix back, I have to 'nudge' the sliders of the mixer during playback. This makes it impossible to export my file, as I have balanced it, to audio.
Cause of the Problem:
Markleford, looked at a test file I prepared and identified the problem as one involving the cc1 and cc7 MIDI controllers. Quote:
'One problem here was that the MIDI file contained a cc7 event near the beginning of each track. Upon reaching this event during playback, volume will readjust to this level. Setting the sliders in the Sonar console will *not* overwrite these messages. .. when you were previously setting those sliders, you'd have to do the thing where you adjust it slightly before the notes came in. That's because if you started playback from the beginning, it would reset volume to those cc7 events that were written to the MIDI. .. Since you can't tweak those sliders during mixdown to a file, and since it played over from the beginning, it had no option but to honor those cc7 events in the tracks.'
Things I have tried:
Following the normal practice of using GPO in Finale 2006c and advice from the forums I have tried the following:
(1) Used the GPO 'Notation' Folder in Finale 2006c which assigns cc1 to Channel Volume and cc7 to Modulation as in a 'standard' MIDI file.
(2) Tried using GPO Folders 1 to 8 which assigns cc1 to Modulation and cc1 to Channel Volume.
(3) Applied Human Playback and set this to 'Always'.
(4) Have followed advice to select all then use the apply Human Playback Plugin.
I have also tried the following from Robert Piechaud, Quote:
'Anyway. So you are using the “Mod Wheel” version of the organ (=not Velocity based), outside the Notation folder. In that case, setting the name “Flute” for every staff did solve the problem for me. Every Mod-based organ patch plays back correctly, I don’t see why Sonar would not catch those Mod variations. That said, I unchecked the option “Automatic Expression” in HP custom style, to avoid the kitchy effect of decreasing long notes!
On the other hand, using the Velocity-based (ignoring Mod) organ patches from the Notation folder, it works without the “Flute” trick.... But the pedals do not respond well, because the organ staves being spread out, HP is confused and doesn’t see the whole thing as a single instrument. In that case, it is enough to create an “Organ” braced staff group enclosing the 2 pedals. Also, since you don’t use any notated dynamic, you must turn the “Base Velocity” to 100 up or so in Playback Settings.'
Following these solutions, it does seem that the file plays back correctly in Finale. However, the problem still remains in Sonar.
Recently I bought Sonar 5 Producer which cost almost £400, in addition I've only just bought JABB which cost around £170. I've also upgraded my computer with extra memory, and M-Audio card totalling over £400 .. not to mention Finale 2006 upgrade altogether totalling over £1000 of money I didn't really have. I did this because I wanted to set myself up to really get down to serious writing and arranging. Now I'm spending all my time trying to get things to work with no music output and worrying about the financial outlay not paying off.
I'm more than prepared to accept it's me missing something and to be labelled stupid, I can handle that. As I mentioned earlier, Tom, Robert and Markleford have all been involved, experts in their fields, and still the problem exits.
It would be a great help in particular if anyone here who works through Finale 2006 and then in Sonar would let me know how they do it and possibly try it with the files I have put up. However, any help, suggestions from anyone would be welcome.
The different permetations of the files can be found here:
Thank you everyone.