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    Salsalito__Try It, You'll Like It!

    I just spent this evening writing a little salsa cue using some of the horns in the JABB library. The percussion is from Zero-Gravity's awesome Beats Working in Cuba library.

    I've never written any Latin beats at all before but I'm a long-standing fan of the Queen of Salsa, Celia Cruz.

    Take a listen and see if you think it sounds like real salsa.

    http://www.boletta.com/salsa/

    Bill B.

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    Now that's cool ...
    The percussion is from Zero-Gravity's awesome Beats Working in Cuba library.
    Let me ask, I'm not familiar ... these are pre-recorded beats, loops?
    Thanks
    Styxx

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    Re: Salsalito__Try It, You'll Like It!

    Quote Originally Posted by Styxx
    Now that's cool ... Let me ask, I'm not familiar ... these are pre-recorded beats, loops?
    Thanks
    They are not exactly loops in the conventional since. They use NI's Intakt player, which has lots of nifty features. It is supposed to be intuitive but many of its features still baffle me. NI's "manual" is simply a recitation of the menus.

    Each set of patches is in a "construction kit" so that you can combine any of the instruments any way you want to and also stretch or change the time, pitch, etc. I used one mix of three instruments for the basic congas and other drums (timbales+plus cowbell, etc.) and then I added guiro, maracas, claves, as separate instruments. As I say, I'm just getting used to this Intakt player, so I have barely touched the surface, but the samples alone are terrific, although not inexpensive. They went to great lengths to record these, going to Cuba to do it onsite, and recruiting the best percussionists there. Zero-G even includes a free DVD with a documentary about how they did it. The only problem is that there is so much content it is overwhelming.

    Bill
    Last edited by wlbwlb; 03-14-2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason: mistake

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    Re: Salsalito__Try It, You'll Like It!

    Bill,

    to make own salsa music is a topic that has been longer on my wish list as well .

    Actually what you made is no salsa but a merengue. I am a little short on time now but to say the least salsa music is much more syncopated. There is a key rhythm in the clave, a certain sophisticated conga pattern (the socalled tumbao), and also the bass hardly ever plays on the one. It is a nearly entirely different animal coming from the same family . However keep going, salsa is maybe the best ethnic dance music in the world and well worth trying.

    Hannes

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    Re: Salsalito__Try It, You'll Like It!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hannes_F
    Bill,

    to make own salsa music is a topic that has been longer on my wish list as well .

    Actually what you made is no salsa but a merengue. I am a little short on time now but to say the least salsa music is much more syncopated. There is a key rhythm in the clave, a certain sophisticated conga pattern (the socalled tumbao), and also the bass hardly ever plays on the one. It is a nearly entirely different animal coming from the same family . However keep going, salsa is maybe the best ethnic dance music in the world and well worth trying.

    Hannes
    Hi Hannes,

    Thanks for your interesting comment. I actually know next to nothing about what salsa is musically. In this tune I was imitating Celia Cruz's big hit "La vida es un carnaval." The bass there is very "square," falling regularly on beats 1 & 3. Lots of syncopation elsewhere upstairs and in the percussion, of course. You've piqued my curiosity now, and now I want to find out more about what a merengue is (love the name! sounds edible!) and what tumbao is.

    Take care,

    Bill

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    I'm sorry to butt in, but that song is neither Salsa nor Merengue. It does sound closer to Merengue, but lacks the tambora and güira patterns. There's a very good book on Salsa and related rhythms written by Rebeca Mauleón:
    http://www.shermusic.com/salsbook.htm
    Serge

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    [quote=sergiobklyn]I'm sorry to butt in, but that song is neither Salsa nor Merengue. It does sound closer to Merengue, but lacks the tambora and güira patterns.[quote]

    Umm .... yessss!

    There's a very good book on Salsa and related rhythms written by Rebeca Mauleón:
    http://www.shermusic.com/salsbook.htm
    Serge
    Ha. I have been looking for such a book for a long time. Thank you!

    Bill, there are several ressources about afro-cuban percussion in the net. One example is

    http://www.zen30989.zen.co.uk/index.htm

    From there the tumbao played to the son clave (see chapter 3):
    http://www.zen30989.zen.co.uk/media/3pg25.rm
    http://www.zen30989.zen.co.uk/media/4pg25.rm

    This is played a little technical here but maybe helpful for analyzing actual salsa tracks. One key element for salsa are the syncopated rhythms even in the rhythm group. Hope this helps.

    Hannes

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