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    piracy article DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    great article that has to do with drm, i always love hearing peoples views on this stuff, so read and enjoy. and please post you comments.http://www.abc.net.au/news/arts/arti...4/s1616706.htm

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    Man....more nonsense. :-(

    There are so many false statements.....like:

    "Doctorow says the only people who like DRM are monopolists."

    Baloney!

    The whole article assumes that all DRM is the same and all creative people view the issue the same way he does.

    And the notion that the EFF is the standard by which everything should be judged? Says who? They don't represent creators.

    I've never heard the EFF ever talk about the creators and how they can best benefit. I've never heard them put forward any plausible alternatives either. My impression of that organization is that they are simply opposed to all limits on technology and the spread of digital information.

    I'm just getting so sick of this positioning of groups like the EFF which turn this into the:

    EVIL MONOPOLIES VS. THE POOR CONSUMER fairy tale

    ...and that's such a gross characterization and oversimplification of a very complex and evolving issue.

    These arguments fail to recognize that all DRM will be defeated in the future, therefore their arguments of limiting the consumers future use are ridiculous.

    Even framing the Napster situation in those terms is so overstated. The public didn't miss a beat when Napster shut down, there were tons of other alternatives that were there over night. Saying that the demise of Napster was a tragedy is just trying to drum up false simpathy.

    If you disagree with my point of view on this, I'd invite you to read the article again, but simply substitute the word "copyright" for all the instances of the word "DRM" and you'll see how extreme a position this is.

    Because here's what I think these folks really think:

    If they were being honest, they would have to admit that they actually don't believe in the principle of copyright itself....the right of the creator to control the duplication and use of the creation. They believe that's an antiquated notion that's not compatible with technologies like P2P.

    My position is that throwing copyright out with DRM is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    Do all of you artists really want to go back to the days of artists not having the ability to own their work? Do we really think that the old system where we are paid by benefactors would be better?

    I happen to like being able to control my own creations, and I'm not going to give up that right. I don't think other artists should give up that right either.

    But I think that articles like this are seductive to creative people, because it sounds like a more free and open world....which would be more condusive to creativity, peace, harmony, etc.

    There's good DRM and stupid DRM....let's focus on making DRM smarter and more flexible. I know this will happen, because consumers need this and smart companies will provide those solutions.

    I believe everyone can win in the end....with the exception of the folks that want everything for free and legal at the same time. :-)

    spectrum

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    Yes, i'd have to agree, Eric. This article is more pretentious rubbish and wishful thinking than anything else. The Napster reference is laughable.
    Interesting that the French Government were thinking along similar lines with a 'patronage payment' disguised as a benefit for creative types, and were then defeated.
    The solution to the cartel of record companies isn't one that will be solved by some socialist idealism wrapped up in 'I know what's good for you', rather a natural evolution from today's current position. Podcasts, Online Stores all serve a purpose, and despite the DRM dislike, it's a fact that the market will find a balance before something else comes up and off we go again.
    I'm not trying to be harsh with this, but in a way, this chap seems to promote mediocrity as a viable alternative to the creative cream rising to the top. and too much of our thinking as muso's is tainted by the aspiration of 'getting a record deal', as the holy grail, and only acknowledgement, of achievement. The real success is producing great creative product in the first place, then it's down to marketing, and social demographic selection.


    Alex.

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    The problem isn't DRM itself. The problem is that DRM isn't mature.

    With copyright law I can take a snippet of a published work as an example. With DRM it's usually black and white. All or nothing.

    Hopefully DRM rules will become more flexible and consumer centric in the future. For instance, buying something from iTunes, and then not being able to consume it on this machine or that is a real problem. What? Once my five licensed machines become obsolete, I can't consume the content that I purchased? In the analog and CD world I can buy another stereo every year, and never worry that I can't listen to my 40 year old records on them.

    But the fact is, the Internet has changed everything. It's so cheap to mass publish these days that anybody can publish anything to anybody - even when they don't own the rights to do so. And its expensive to track down the violators and stop them, if not impossible.

    So, we're left with DRM, and today's DRM is crappy.

    Once DRM gets really smart and consumer centered, we'll wonder exactly what the problem was.

    -JF

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    People must be bored around here. If the Cubase vs, Sonar isn't an indication than this thread is evidence.

    So what's next? Intel vs. AMD? Gibson vs. Fender?

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    Quote Originally Posted by kitekrazy
    People must be bored around here. If the Cubase vs, Sonar isn't an indication than this thread is evidence.

    So what's next? Intel vs. AMD? Gibson vs. Fender?
    I think we're due for another Mac vs. PC thread actually...
    Tim

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    Buy an intel-based Mac and have the best of both worlds!

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    Re: author Cory Doctorow on DRM: 'a fight we can't lose'

    Quote Originally Posted by spectrum
    The public didn't miss a beat when Napster shut down, there were tons of other alternatives that were there over night.
    Napster shut down??? When did this happen? ...wait... What's Napster?

    Heehee... (Actually, I used to work at the local University and I learned to hate Napster - all the @#$^ greedy kids took up all the bandwidth downloading MP3 files! Although, I think I would trade all this spam for those mp3 files. Sigh...)

    I believe everyone can win in the end....with the exception of the folks that want everything for free and legal at the same time. :-)
    That's pretty much why I stopped doing development in the Linux/FSF/Libre/whatever-you-want-to-call-it world. I got tired of people demanding things and complaining that I used the BSD license instead of the GPL. I think the GPL is a huge problem! It's one of those childish, you-have-to-play-MY-game, you-have-to-give-your-work-away-for-free, anti-profit, anti-ownership, anti-freedom licenses! I think a lot of people are infected with that kind of mentality and they think about DRM in the same way...

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