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Topic: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

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    What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    I'm trying to narrow down an 88-key master controller, and I'm wondering if aftertouch is really necessary for a hammer-weighted action keyboard (I already have a 61-key Korg Triton Le that's got aftertouch). Are there a lot of libraries out there programmed to take advantage of aftertouch data?

    I'm also thinking about getting the 88-key without any knobs and sliders, then just get another midi controller box with only knobs/sliders--or maybe even with 37-keys for traveling. Having the two seperate seems safter somehow--in case one bites the dust and need to be replaced.

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    I'm a piano player by trade, so I always like a weighted keyboard to input stuff, I used also to always have an old DX7 in a corner of the studio to input fast hi hats and the like without resistance.
    When it comes to aftertouch, I always put the line in first and then apply aftertouch data on another track, particularly if it's something that's supposed to have a human element, like vibrato. I generally select an 'out of range' note and apply it while I'm listening to the playback of the line I've recorded. For one thing, I can edit the controller data without sieving thru' the note data, and I'm not doing anything else but listening to the effect it's having on the performance.
    Sounds like you'll be set up to do this. It's just my littl' ol' way, but it works for me.
    The real question was 'What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?', and I'd say relatively few in the great scheme of things. But it can get in the way if you're not the most confident keyboard player on a pressure sensitive keyboard.


    PS. I like a weighted keyboard for music input because you tend to get less over accented notes with accidentally overcooked high velocity which you have to go in and edit afterwards - input seems smoother on a weighted keyboard. Cue pressure sensitive keyboard specialists to come and prove me wrong. OK, it's like this, live gig, unweighted pressure sensitive keyboard unless it's a piano chair, both in the studio. Confused? I am.

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    DIVA and The Giovani Edition make use of aftertouch.
    Bela D Media | www.BelaDMedia.com

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    In most (all?) sequencers, you can always reroute a controller to another controller.

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Since aftertouch physically and midi-wise are two different things, you can control whatever cc messages you like with key aftertouch, unless your controller puts arbitray limits on controller assignments. In that sense, everything is programmed for aftertouch.

    Since aftertouch is just another way of sending cc messages, you can pretty much use it for anything that floats your boat.

    Obviously, some things don't work well with aftertouch, such as continuos dynamics etc. I personally only use it assigned to pitch bend for "shimmy" vibrato, which is not very useful when sounds have vibrato sampled in.

    It comes into it's own for live performance, especially for things like crossfading to another sound, or controlling purely synthesized sounds. It can also be handy to assign it to control a leslie simulator, assuming you don't have a pedal.

    Often things factory programmed to use "aftertouch" by default are better controlled with another controller device such as a slider. In those cases the programmer was really just using the standard aftertouch cc# arbitrarily. It could have been any of the other 126#'s

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Thanks for the feedback!

    It seems the only real useful of aftertouch programming I've experienced thus far is for harder hits to note bend on guitar patches. Some drum patches seem to use it for triggering an alternate sample as well.

    I'll probably end up getting an 88-key master board without any extra controllers and get a Novation SL (without the keys version) for all my control needs. I just realized that having extra knobs on the master board would be a bit awkward, as I won't be putting it in front of the monitor like some people but to the side instead, and I think knobs/sliders are much better when placed right in front of the computer monitor. Having keys on that controller box would just take up more room (and cost more). I also don't travel all that much anyway, so. ...

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Quote Originally Posted by Argitoth
    It's so crazy how different the culture is here compared to KVR.
    Well, what did you expect? One forum is heavily geared towards orchestral/classical music, while the other electronic/dance music. One prides itself on performance skill and knowledge of music theory, while the other on making strange noises and avoiding anything conventional like the plague.

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Normal atertouch is great, and yes, you can use just about any controller to send out MIDI as aftertouch. But what's really needed more to be implemented is poly aftertouch. This is something that can bring out a vibrato or expressiveness on one note only, even if you play a chord, and can enhance the sound considerably. Keyboard controllers that have this feature are rare, and I don't know many soft synths/samplers that can be controlled via poly-AT. Perhaps the most famous synth that has this is the venerable CS-80.

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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Yessss!! Another vote for the return of poly-aftertouch! My good ole Ensoniq TS-10 has it. Before they were assimilated by Creative Labs, most of the synth-action keyboards Ensoniq made had that feature. They also had "held-note" pitchbending, meaning that if you hit the pitch bend wheel, only notes held by your fingers were affected. Notes held by the pedal weren't affected by the pitch wheel.

    Little things like these may or may not be useful for things like orchestral emulation and the like, but they can significant enhancements to a keyboard as a musical instrument, as opposed to simply a "controller."


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    Re: What sample libraries make good use of aftertouch?

    Another poly-aftertouch advocate here . There are actually more softsynths which respond to it than you might at first think.. Virsyn Tera, Zebra and other instruments from U-He, Albino and some others from LinPlug, CS80v and most of the Arturia range, MachFive, Reaktor5, Kontakt 1.53 (it's also there in K2 but broken!).
    It's amazing how quickly it becomes "second nature" under your fingers, and it's quite frustrating to have to go back to simple channel aftertouch.
    Unfortunately there is no MIDI keyboard currently manufactured which has polyphonic aftertouch, so that only leaves the 2nd-hand market. As Eric G has said, a lot of the Ensoniq range offered this, the Kurzweil Midiboard if you can still find one, a couple from Kawai, Gem and Elka.. not much else, unfortunately. But there are still things that can be done via step entry so long as your sequencer supports the function (Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer, probably ProTools also, but I've never tried)

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