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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Here are Ben Hillyard's brass exercises.

    R-K melody brass octaves:
    mp3:http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ctave-benh.mp3
    Score:http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ctave-benh.jpg

    R-K melody brass 3rds and 6ths
    mp3:http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...s-3-6-benh.mp3
    score:http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...s-3-6-benh.jpg

    Very good work Ben. You certain show a grasp of the material. Thanks for sending these!

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Tom Graczkowski sent in his Lesson 8 exercise.

    http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...s_exercise.mp3

    Tom's exercise consisted of: Trumpet (I) doubled by Horns (I & II) in 5ths, 4ths and 3rds, followed by a Tenor Trombone (I) doubling the Trumpet an octave below with the Tuba doubling an octave below the Tenor Trombone.

    Very nice work Tom. It seems you have a good grasp of the lesson.

    I appreciate your sending this in.

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1a.mp3
    This is the brass/woodwind unison exersize at the beginning of lesson 9.

    the melody has playing in unison:
    2 Flutes (apart from two flutes already in background)
    1 English horn
    1 Small Clarinet
    4 French Horns
    2 Trumpets

    2 Trombones at one octave lower.

    The Trumpets only play three measures, in the forth measure they are replaced by a 2nd player of English Horn and a 2nd player of Small Clarinet + Lush Viola and Cello. (but since those strings are only one layer, i think they were not heard.)

    A harmony was added by 2 Trombones and 2 Tubas.

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    Here is how it was before too much was added, I think it sounded better when it was only 2 Futes+1 SmallClarinet+2 FrenchHorns+1Trumpet with an English Horn and Small Clarinet replacing the Trumpet in fourth measure, so I may find something less weighty than Trombone and Tuba and add the harmony to it... just to see what it sounds like.
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1b.mp3

    The top one sounds better with just the octave lower trombones removed.
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1aX.mp3

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    Even though it didn't turn out that great, and i got lost on the right numbers to use of each when grouping, i like the size of the backgrounds we are using. They seem like the perfect size, I think by adding the melody and instruments, then changing it around and tweeking it, I'm learning the best way to work on or fine tune a larger piece, just about a four measure chunk of it at a time.

    -----------------------------------------------------
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf...wndUnison1.pdf

    This is the score pdf, it has very thin staves and are spread too wide, can anyone tell me how to fix that in Finale?

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Real life balance, as opposed to in a simulation:

    Once you have horns and trumpets on a line in unison, adding woodwind makes pretty much no difference.

    Also, the small clarinet does not belong here, it is mainly a top end instrument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leaf
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1a.mp3
    This is the brass/woodwind unison exersize at the beginning of lesson 9.

    the melody has playing in unison:
    2 Flutes (apart from two flutes already in background)
    1 English horn
    1 Small Clarinet
    4 French Horns
    2 Trumpets

    2 Trombones at one octave lower.

    The Trumpets only play three measures, in the forth measure they are replaced by a 2nd player of English Horn and a 2nd player of Small Clarinet + Lush Viola and Cello. (but since those strings are only one layer, i think they were not heard.)

    A harmony was added by 2 Trombones and 2 Tubas.

    ---------------------------------------------------
    Here is how it was before too much was added, I think it sounded better when it was only 2 Futes+1 SmallClarinet+2 FrenchHorns+1Trumpet with an English Horn and Small Clarinet replacing the Trumpet in fourth measure, so I may find something less weighty than Trombone and Tuba and add the harmony to it... just to see what it sounds like.
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1b.mp3

    The top one sounds better with just the octave lower trombones removed.
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf/BWU1aX.mp3

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Even though it didn't turn out that great, and i got lost on the right numbers to use of each when grouping, i like the size of the backgrounds we are using. They seem like the perfect size, I think by adding the melody and instruments, then changing it around and tweeking it, I'm learning the best way to work on or fine tune a larger piece, just about a four measure chunk of it at a time.

    -----------------------------------------------------
    http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/Leaf...wndUnison1.pdf

    This is the score pdf, it has very thin staves and are spread too wide, can anyone tell me how to fix that in Finale?
    Alan Belkin, composer
    Professor of Composition
    University of Montreal

    http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/pers...n/e.index.html (links to examples of my music, as well as my online textbooks)

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Thanks Prof. Belkin.

    I'll change those clarinets.
    So in real life to get the sound close to that of that lighter weight mp3, I would keep the trumpet and lose French horns? I may have thrown it all out of balance by changing the volumes, probably should have left them at their default settings.

    David

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Horns will soften the trumpet a bit. Woodwind won't do much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leaf
    Thanks Prof. Belkin.

    I'll change those clarinets.
    So in real life to get the sound close to that of that lighter weight mp3, I would keep the trumpet and lose French horns? I may have thrown it all out of balance by changing the volumes, probably should have left them at their default settings.

    David
    Alan Belkin, composer
    Professor of Composition
    University of Montreal

    http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/pers...n/e.index.html (links to examples of my music, as well as my online textbooks)

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Melody in 3-4 Octaves:
    http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd4/...ave-robint.mp3

    Three octaves, 4 horns above 2 trombones above bass trombone and tuba. I'm not entirely happy with this voicing - RK mentions that horns above trombones is not "reliable." I'm not quite sure exactly why, but he's right - I can't get them to blend together well in octaves (they sound marvelous in unison, though).


    Melody in 3rds and 6ths:
    http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd4/...3-6-robint.mp3

    Three trumpets (muted). First and second trumpets begin in 6ths, and then the 3rd trumpet enters in 4ths. In other words, triads in first inversion.


    Summary 1:
    http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd4/...ry1-robint.mp3

    Solo horn. I used to play horn myself, so I approached this exercise with particular reverence.


    Summary 2:
    http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd4/...ry2-robint.mp3

    Four horns and three trombones in unison.


    One more down. Thanks for listening.

    -Robin

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Hi - Here are my lesson 8 exercises.

    Exercise 1: mp3, and score. A three-octave displacement with 2 trumpet, 1 french horn and 1 trombone ensembles.

    Exercse 2: mp3, and score. Repeates twice: 1) 2 french horns ensembles in lower thirds, 2) 2 french horns ensemblesupper thirds + octave doubling by a solo trumpet.

    Summary exercise 1: mp3, and score. Three times: 1) a french horn solo, 2) a trumpet solo (lifting the last half of the melody by an octave to stay in range), 3) french horn solo and french horn ensemble in unison + softer solo trumpet.

    Summary exercise 2: mp3, and score. Four times: 1) 4 Fr. horn ensembles + f overlay, 2) 2 trumpet ensembles + trumpet solo, 3) 3 Trombone ensembles, 4) 3 Fr. horn + 2 trombone + 1 trumpet ensembles.

    I hope you enjoy them. Comments, suggestions welcome!
    steve

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Robin,

    Well done! Your muted trumpets worked very well in the Melody in 3rds and 6ths exercise. The solo horn melody in summary exercise 1 is especially beautiful and shows you must be a horn player. And the horns in Summary exercise 2 are just grand. You really shine with the horns!

    Keep up the good work and thanks for posting these.

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: Lesson 8 Exercises

    Steve,

    Terrifc work with the exercises. Excellent melodies with the brass on all of them. What impressed me was that you went beyond the call of the exercises and repeated them with different instruments. I appreciate your creativity and initiative. Looking forward to hearing more.

    Gary Garritan

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