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Topic: Question about Strad 2.0 repetitive notes

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    Question about Strad 2.0 repetitive notes

    Hi all,

    For Strad 1.0 there were some repetitions (as a solo part) that had some machine gun effect if the part was fast enough. Does Strad 2.0 have more options to reduce this negative effect? Using it as a 'concertmaster' it was never a problem only as a solo very fast single note rep line.

    Looking forward to my order arriving.

    Rob Elliott Music

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    Orcas Island

    Re: Question about Strad 2.0 repetitive notes

    The machine gun effect happens when you trigger the same sample or series of samples in a repeated fashion. If you hit the same note or series of notes in exactly the same way you will get that effect.

    We are very mindful of this phenomenon as we introduced the first orchestral library to provide performance tools to eliminate the machine gun effect. GOS introduced MaestroTools five years ago (with automatic variability and bow strokes) and GPO with AutoVAR to reduce these effects. Since then, other tools, plugins and scripting have followed our lead and implemented similar approaches. But we don't need these workarounds anymore.

    The Stradivari was specifically designed to avoid the so-called machine gun effect altogether and takes a radically different approach than traditional libraries. You avoid the machine gun effect by playing the instrument like a real player. It's virtually impossible with the Strad to get the machine gun effect if you are using the instrument in the way it was designed. I would be interested if you could identify the Strad 1 parts that you believe had the effect so we can take a look at them.

    With most libraries you play back a limited number of discrete samples and often that effect occurs. With the Strad there is Sonic Morphing which allows you to have an endless variety of playing possibilities between samples. And, by playing the articulations in real-time like a real player, the note changes each time it is played - with a slightly different attack, intonation, length, timbre, bow change between notes, etc. - all up to the user's control. If played the way it was designed, it is almost impossible to play the same note twice in the identical way with the Strad (unless you really worked at it ). It would be like a real player trying to play the same note identically.

    Hope this helps.

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: Question about Strad 2.0 repetitive notes

    If you play the strad live I think it's impossible to get the machine gun effect.

    If you sequence the midi by hand here are some suggestions:

    1) Make sure you're changing the vibrato/vibrato-rate/expression a little during the entire piece (even the fast moving sections). That creates most of the variability you need to get rid of the machine gun effect.

    2) This doesn't have as big effect on the strad as on other libraries but check the velocity levels as well.

    The only way to get that machine gun effect though is to have the exact same sound played in a row. So find ways to add slight changes (even with the pitch wheel) and it'll go away.
    JP Garbarini

    "A man who is paid to do what he enjoys never works a day in his life." -- Chinese Proverb

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    Re: Question about Strad 2.0 repetitive notes

    Thanks guys this is a part the benefit from even more vibrato/expression variations and well as pitch (on these very fast reps adding liberals amounts of controller variation was the ticket). As you say, velocity didn't really help that much. Sounds better now.

    Rob Elliott Music

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