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    PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    An interesting piece I transcribed from a piano part.

    hi-fi URL: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getpl...d=4987964&q=hi (rapido)

    OK Maybe it's a bit fast. Here it is 6 beats a minute slower-
    from 64 to 58(quarter)

    hi-fi URL: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getpl...d=4987964&q=hi Slow

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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    Gary,

    I think that you have the orchestration well in hand. But I think that it should be slower from my recollection of the work. But then again you might be using the tempo indications of your piano music. Thanks for sharing it with the forum.

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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    Gary,

    I have always loved this piece - thanks for bringing to our "radar" screens! YOu should check out Ravel's own transcription, to see how the same piece can be orchestrated so differently. I liked your choices. In some places I couldn't hear the lowere voices - there are some pretty interesting cross relations.

    As to the tempo, the story goes that after hearing a very slow performance of this, Ravel commented that he had written a pavane for a dead princess, not a dead pavane for a princess...So you may be more on the mark!
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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    Thanks Gary & Ron,
    I thought the piece might be a little fast, but the second theme
    seems to play best at this tempo, or maybe I listened to the old Chicago Symphony too much(fast tempi.)
    I used limited instruments to get more sound, and to practice my skills
    as an orchestrator. I'm not ready to step up to the plate with
    Ravel just yet...
    Gary

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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    Gary,

    Well, it's hard for anyone to step up to the plate with Ravel, especially in terms of orchestration. Still, the idea of taking a piece, doing your own orchestration, and then comparing it to versions by well-known composers is a great way to learn.
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    Hi Gary,

    I am a big fan of Ravel. Once again, I marvel at the tools we have to improve our orchestrational skills! Nice effort!

    Regarding tempo, I have heard Le Tombeau de Couperin (one of my favorites!), for example, performed at greatly varying tempi by different orchestras. I have my preference, but have no idea what Ravel's original intent was.

    I don't have the historical knowledge, as it appears rpearl does. BTW, thanks for that rpearl, it's always interesting to learn something about the "provenance" of a song.

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    I'm thinking about 1/3 less tempo from the many times I have heard this.
    I love Ravel too.
    Thanks for posting Gary!
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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    Keep in mind that it was originally a piano work, and what works as a tempo for the keyboard might not be so suitable for the orchestra. Some orchestral performances of this sometimes drag (in my opinion), opting instead to luxuriate in the colors. Either way it's a great piece and thanks again to Gary for reminding us of that!
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    I agree, if it was a piano piece originally, then the tempo is probably just right, but would definately be better slower for the orchestral version.
    Just my opinion.
    Dan

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    Re: PAVANE on the death of an Infante RAVEL

    I like the orchstration in this presentation. You used the colors of the orchestra very well. I feel, though, that a little slower tempo as has been mentioned would give that wonderful color a chance to come through better. Just an opinion, nothing more so, take it for what it is.

    I do like the presentation and thanks for sharing it!
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