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    Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina.
    Made with GPO... and nothing else!

    http://www.webalice.it/danbergam/sou...l%20music).mp3

    This is a brazilian-flavoured piece...
    I don't exactly know what kind of music is (but the solo has a jazz feeling: this is for sure! )... it just came out this way!
    It resembles, to me, one of those 60s movies: a plane is landing to Rio airport, this is the image coming to my mind... I don't know why!

    So, I would be happy to know your opinions about it...
    please remember that I am a self-taught spare-time composer:
    I just compose by ear, trying to reproduce... what's sounding in my head!

    So... have mercy of me!

    Thanks for listening and commenting!

    Daniele

    P.S.
    Aline Cristina is a nice, gentle, vocally talented girl from Brazil...
    In my YouTube page:

    http://www.youtube.com/danbergam

    you'll find a video about her, coming along with this piece!

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Hello, Daniele

    I've really enjoyed listening to your recording. Your enthusiasm comes through so strongly and the results are so infectious.

    Aline to whom this is dedicated--your love?

    I'll take you up on your request for opinions--Well, I don't really think in terms of offering "opinions," but I can give you some observations and some suggestions that might be helpful.

    There is a popular song from the era that your piece is reflective of, "You Got Your Troubles, I've Got Mine"--One of your melodies in this is almost exactly the same. I'm not sure if you're aware that it's practically a direct quote.

    That being said, All music tends to remind us of something we've heard before. There's nothing new under the sun--It can be good for us to be aware, however, when we've come just too close to a well known melody.

    A note on your nice orchestration--The crash cymbals are fun to use, but also to get carried away with. I feel you could use fewer crashes and it would be helpful.

    The coda, the ending, has some very nice trumpet work which sounds very crafted. Earlier, the trumpet at times wasn't as confident. I can hear that you're able to wield the instrument very well, so perhaps a bit more work with the earlier trumpet passages would be worth the effort.

    The over all effect is very invigorating--and that's great!

    Thanks for posting this. Maybe some of these notes make sense to you.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Hello Dan,

    I can see that we are going to look forward to much fine
    work from you, my friend!

    This is very, very well done... well rendered, well written,
    well arranged, and well performed.

    As to "what kind" of music this is, I hear a variety of
    flavors and elements in this -- but I've never been one
    to try to "classify" a piece of music as one thing or some
    other thing... each piece is what it is; and today, the
    blending and fusion of different styles is not only common
    but fruitful.

    In a word, I must agree with Randy: it's -- infectious!
    Up-beat, up-tempo, and... up-lifting! As with your previous
    Kierri piece with video, this soars with emotion, straight
    from the heart.

    Musically, I much enjoyed the trumpet work in this, most
    especially as it moves into the later part of the piece; the
    strong Jazz influence, the fluidity and grace of the lines.
    I, too, think that working a little more with the trumpet --
    it is really the star, the solo, of the piece -- might be worth
    thinking about in the earlier sections of the piece... but
    delicately, not to overdo it, so the strength of the closing
    parts is not overcome by the work in the earlier parts.

    As for your request to "have mercy!" ... rofl, well, there
    is no need of mercy, here. Few of us here have made
    our forum debut with such dashing work!

    With applause,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Hello, Daniele

    I've really enjoyed listening to your recording. Your enthusiasm comes through so strongly and the results are so infectious.
    Thank you so much, rbowser!
    Really, enthusiasm is one of my prerogatives and I'm happy to know that my music communicated it!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Aline to whom this is dedicated--your love?
    No... but I found her very inspiring: she's a great human being, not only a great singer.
    She just deserved a dedication, to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    I'll take you up on your request for opinions--Well, I don't really think in terms of offering "opinions," but I can give you some observations and some suggestions that might be helpful.
    And I'm here, ready to carefully read!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    There is a popular song from the era that your piece is reflective of, "You Got Your Troubles, I've Got Mine"--One of your melodies in this is almost exactly the same. I'm not sure if you're aware that it's practically a direct quote.
    When this theme came in my mind, I was really surprised of how easily I found it... and I had this doubt till now: maybe have I heard this theme somewhere in place/time before?
    But I sincerely couldn't have find a band's name or a title for it... I couldn't, most of all, even understand or remember if I really had heard it before: so went on my way.
    Oh, well... now I'm guessing when/how I could have heard it: maybe a soundtrack of a movie?
    I really don't remember... how many years ago I could have listened to that?
    For how much time this theme could have been sleeping in my mind?!?
    Or have I simply took a brazilian-like approach which have lead me to this melody? It's possible, too, I think.
    I've done a research and I've found, just in YouTube, The Fortunes doing this song... it's a bit frustrating... but, by the way, it's better to know!
    Believe me, I've never buyed an LP with that song!
    Luckily for me, the rest of piece is quite different!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    That being said, All music tends to remind us of something we've heard before. There's nothing new under the sun--It can be good for us to be aware, however, when we've come just too close to a well known melody.
    As I wrote, the style/atmosphere reminds me of those 60s movies, with those typical "orchestral jazz" soundtracks...
    I thank you again for your advice: it's really better to know!
    And I'll write this in that page: "this theme resembles that song of that band, but I wasn't aware of this. while composing".

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    A note on your nice orchestration--The crash cymbals are fun to use, but also to get carried away with. I feel you could use fewer crashes and it would be helpful.
    In my 14-18 years period I used to listen to almost thrash metal... I guess that my "Yeah! Power!" attitude never leaved me!!!
    I'll take in account your advice... "too much crash is not so good!"

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    The coda, the ending, has some very nice trumpet work which sounds very crafted. Earlier, the trumpet at times wasn't as confident. I can hear that you're able to wield the instrument very well, so perhaps a bit more work with the earlier trumpet passages would be worth the effort.
    Thank you so much about the coda, I'm really satisfied with it!
    About the solo, you are right, there's something not so... fluent, about the rythm of some notes... but because I'm not so confident with musical theory, I wasn't able to make it more... right.
    I'll have to try again, I' say.

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    The over all effect is very invigorating--and that's great!

    I really did my best to make it a joyful piece!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Thanks for posting this. Maybe some of these notes make sense to you.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)
    Thank you for your precious advices, rbowser!

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Hello Dan,

    I can see that we are going to look forward to much fine
    work from you, my friend!
    Hello, David, my friend!
    Oh, you are right... I just begun having some fun with that wonderful "toy" called Garritan Personal Orchestra!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    This is very, very well done... well rendered, well written,
    well arranged, and well performed.
    Oh, look... what a strange fact... I'm levitating!
    Thank you, you're too gentle!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    As to "what kind" of music this is, I hear a variety of
    flavors and elements in this -- but I've never been one
    to try to "classify" a piece of music as one othing or some
    other thing... each piece is what it is; and today, the
    blending and fusion of different styles is not only common
    but fruitful.
    You're right, to label things is maybe a bit useless... it was just a curiosity of mine... for to be able to answer if someone eventually ended asking - Wow! How is it called, this kind of music?! -
    I guess I could say - I don't know! It's just... my music! -

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    In a word, I must agree with Randy: it's -- infectious!
    Should I say... that I'll end (peacefully) "infecting" the world with my music!?!?
    MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Really, thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Up-beat, up-tempo, and... up-lifting! As with your previous
    Kierri piece with video, this soars with emotion, straight
    from the heart.
    Oh, be sure about it: every single note always comes from my heart and from my brain... from my soul, in the end!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Musically, I much enjoyed the trumpet work in this, most
    especially as it moves into the later part of the piece; the
    strong Jazz influence, the fluidity and grace of the lines.
    Thank you!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    I, too, think that working a little more with the trumpet --
    it is really the star, the solo, of the piece -- might be worth
    thinking about in the earlier sections of the piece... but
    delicately, not to overdo it, so the strength of the closing
    parts is not overcome by the work in the earlier parts.
    It has to be... a crescendo, in terms of phrasing intensity... right?
    Yes, maybe at beginning I could have improved it...

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    As for your request to "have mercy!" ... rofl, well, there
    is no need of mercy, here. Few of us here have made
    our forum debut with such dashing work!
    Are you sure?!?
    Nah, I can't believe it, for sure each one of you had a so much better debut!!!
    Ok, ok... for a minute I'll try to believe you... just to go on levitating!


    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    With applause,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    .
    Thank you, David!
    There's a smile on my face which won't easily go away!!!
    Have a great everything!

    Oh, *thank you* for having told about my post in the one referred to your piece... really, you shouldn't have done something like this...

    With a deep bow
    Daniele

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Hello again, Daniele

    I'm so glad you enjoyed my response. Turn about is fair play, since I enjoyed your music so much.

    Ah--so you've found a recording of the song I mentioned. Yes, it is extremely similar.

    But you really need to be less hard on yourself. It happens all the time. We can try and try to think if something we've come up with is actually a memory of something we've heard in the past, and not get a definite answer.

    Paul McCartney says he was very concerned when he woke up with the melody of "Yesterday" in his mind. He kept playing it for people, begging for them to tell him where they had heard it before--He was certain he must've gotten it from somewhere. Once he was satisfied that it was sufficiently original, then he finished the song.

    It's totally unavoidable that a chord change now and then will sound exactly like other songs--It's a limitation of pop music which relies on not surprising the listener Too much. I have a friend who's main reaction to Everything he hears is to say what it reminds him of, "Oh that's The Eagles, Oh that's The Beatles, Oh that's Jefferson Airplane"--drives me nuts. He should listen to more abstract music perhaps, so he'll be forced to say, "Oh that's----gee, I dunno!"

    So, I'm glad you took that note so well. It's such nice music you've put together. Perhaps a little bit of re-writing will change that one passage sufficiently, so that other people aren't distracted by how it sounds like you're suddenly playing that older song.

    I'm glad the other notes I passed on may be helpful also.

    You are a musical natural. I sure look forward to hearing more from your talented mind.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Ah--so you've found a recording of the song I mentioned. Yes, it is extremely similar.

    But you really need to be less hard on yourself. It happens all the time.
    Randy, Daniele, I meant to make mention of this in my earlier post.

    Randy's on the mark about this, Daniele -- it's almost impossible
    to string any combination of notes together today that has not,
    in some way, been used in the past.. my heavens, with the rich
    heritage of hundreds of years of music and hundreds of thousands
    (millions?) of musical pieces written... how could it be otherwise?

    And it is not always a case of having heard the material before,
    of the subconscious at work. Sometimes, you simply reinvent the
    very same melody as another writer did.

    In such cases, to me, it is the honesty of the work that counts.
    If one unintentionally emulates a prior writer, well then, so be it:
    perhaps that writer should be honored!

    Best,


    David
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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Hello again, Daniele
    Hello again to you, Randy!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    I'm so glad you enjoyed my response. Turn about is fair play, since I enjoyed your music so much.
    I enjoyed it not only because it was full of useful advices... but also, simply, because you (too) took your time to write something really focused and... dedicated, about a piece of music that two days ago was known just to my and my family: I'm sure you know what I mean.
    It's a honor to know that there are people taking their time to write thoughtful comments and opinions!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Ah--so you've found a recording of the song I mentioned. Yes, it is extremely similar.
    This is the link to the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzR-XtJjaq8

    Now I've understood why it sounded so 60s to my ears... ^_^;;

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    But you really need to be less hard on yourself. It happens all the time. We can try and try to think if something we've come up with is actually a memory of something we've heard in the past, and not get a definite answer.

    Paul McCartney says he was very concerned when he woke up with the melody of "Yesterday" in his mind....
    Who knows, maybe today he's still wondering where did he heard it before...
    or maybe I decided to be happy with it and to move on...

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    It's totally unavoidable that a chord change now and then will sound exactly like other songs--It's a limitation of pop music which relies on not surprising the listener Too much. I have a friend who's main reaction to Everything he hears is to say what it reminds him of, "Oh that's The Eagles, Oh that's The Beatles, Oh that's Jefferson Airplane"--drives me nuts. He should listen to more abstract music perhaps, so he'll be forced to say, "Oh that's----gee, I dunno!"
    Maybe that friend of yours has just developed a habit to tell this!

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    So, I'm glad you took that note so well. It's such nice music you've put together. Perhaps a little bit of re-writing will change that one passage sufficiently, so that other people aren't distracted by how it sounds like you're suddenly playing that older song.
    I'll have to think about it... I have a little problem, with rewriting: the more I go on building a piece and (re-)(re-)(re-)listening to it... the more I get used to it, and changing anything can become really painful...
    But yes, it would be worst if people started to think/suspect - Hey... did he take that musical line intentionally?! -...
    Hmm... it wouldn't be nice.
    You know... that video has been watched 45 times so far, and I received comments just from three persons: maybe the fact we just had a weekend has something to do with it... but I wonder if all the other persons thought that I did a sort of copy...

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    I'm glad the other notes I passed on may be helpful also.

    You are a musical natural. I sure look forward to hearing more from your talented mind.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)
    Your last line was something which up-lifted my heart!
    I'm very grateful to you... and I'll definitely have to listen to your work, Randy!

    Have a great everything!
    Daniele

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Randy, Daniele, I meant to make mention of this in my earlier post.

    Randy's on the mark about this, Daniele -- it's almost impossible
    to string any combination of notes together today that has not,
    in some way, been used in the past.. my heavens, with the rich
    heritage of hundreds of years of music and hundreds of thousands
    (millions?) of musical pieces written... how could it be otherwise?
    You are right... there are really centuries of music written and heard before!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    And it is not always a case of having heard the material before,
    of the subconscious at work. Sometimes, you simply reinvent the
    very same melody as another writer did.
    I believe it's just what happened to me, in this case...
    for not to think that the two melodies are not the same for all the time... at a certain point I took a different path... for not to talk about the rest of the piece!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    In such cases, to me, it is the honesty of the work that counts.
    I really hope it, David!

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    If one unintentionally emulates a prior writer, well then, so be it:
    perhaps that writer should be honored!

    Best,


    David
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    Is what I'll do... I'll write that I was told of that similarity but that it was really unintentional!

    Thank you again!
    Dan

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    Re: Symphonic Fantasy for Aline Cristina (by Daniele Bergamini - with GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    Daniele,

    I really enjoyed this! Great arrangement. ---
    Thank you, Ern!
    Your enjoyement it's a reason to be satisfied for me too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    The melody jumped out at me, too, and I hadn't even read Randy's connection to the Fortune's hit before I Googled the same video! The song was actually written by Neil Diamond, probably when he was writing in the Brill Building in New York with Carole King et al.
    ...by... Neil Diamond?!?
    I've listened to a couple of albums from him, but not with this one...
    Sincerely... despite the doubt, I was and I am in good faith!

    Neil Diamond?!?!
    To think that I was convinced it's a melody resembling Brasil...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    This happens all the time, being influenced by melodies. We've all done it --- I actually wanted to crawl under my chair once at a song pitch session in Hollywood when the A&R guy said I stole my melody from Springsteen's "Pink Cadillac." I thought it was just the Blues!
    "Stole"?!? Hm, he wasn't nice with you, at all!
    Really, I don't know if it's a case of melodies heard ages ago and suddenly coming back to your consciousness... or just the fact that some notes sequences (or chords progressions) are just so catchy, pleasant and fitting that soon or later someone ends stumbling on them...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    Even George Harrison's big hit "My Sweet Lord" was taken from the oldie "He's So Fine." So we're all in good company!
    I'd say one could find a lot of really happened examples...
    well, at least I can say I totally was in good faith... and I am still now! ^_^

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    Best wishes,

    Ern
    Best wishes to you, Ern, and thank you for your relieving comment!

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