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    Insomnia

    A new mix of my solo piano piece Insomnia .

    This is the JABB Steinway and started out in Sibelius and was finished in Sonar Producer 5. The piece is rhythmically seven against five, the left hand is in 7/8 and the right hand is in 5/8. The piece is also dodecaphonic, but not serial.

    And help or insights into the mix would be most welcome. There seems to be a bit of a timbre glitch at one point that I have not been able to solve.

    Thank you.

    Ed Sharpe
    AKA: Ursus Demens
    //
    // Ars longa, vita brevis
    // http://edosbear.blogspot.com/
    //

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    Re: Insomnia

    Hi, Ed

    I've had my share of insomnia bouts in my life--and if they had sound tracks, they would be much like this. You've titled the piece most appropriately!

    Such interesting collisions happen with the two different time signatures!---I was listening for what you called a glitch--I don't believe I caught it.

    Thanks for the--the Insomnia! oh noooo---I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night hearing this withOut the MP3 playing!

    EDIT: By the way, do you know that at the Box site you use, you can get the link to a single file, so it's the only thing displayed when a visitor goes there? It can be less confusing than remembering what it is one is supposed to look for. But on the other hand, linking to a folder of music, as you have, it invites us to play more things--so there's something to be said for both linking methods.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)
    Last edited by rbowser-; 05-18-2007 at 02:20 PM. Reason: forgot something

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    Re: Insomnia

    Hi Ed,

    A fascinating listen... I love the way this moves, especially
    through the more aggressive center section.

    Ed, have you got score on this? I'd like to get a look at how
    the dynamics are written.

    This is an excellent rendering. I've really got to go nit-pick
    hard to find anything wrong with it... but I'll toss a couple
    of points out on it.

    The reason I want to see the dynamics is, I think the overall
    dynamic range may be a bit wide.

    The only other thing -- and I doubt anyone but a pianist
    would notice -- is the field seems a tad wide and separate.
    Just the barest touch. I think if it were me, I might try
    mixing about 10-15% of the left over to the right, and vice
    versa.

    I actually find this very restful, by the way, Ed. Now, in
    an odd way, that rather reinforces your apparent intent
    of exploring insomnia, because I also find six cups of coffee
    the perfect evening chaser before a good night's sleep... lol.

    Very solid on the nuances of interpretation in this, Ed, lest
    I forget to mention that.

    My best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    .

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    Re: Insomnia

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Hi, Ed

    I've had my share of insomnia bouts in my life--and if they had sound tracks, they would be much like this. You've titled the piece most appropriately!
    Thank you.
    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Such interesting collisions happen with the two different time signatures!---I was listening for what you called a glitch--I don't believe I caught it.
    Well I have been working hard on eliminating it, so maybe I am just hearing something that was there before. :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser-
    Thanks for the--the Insomnia! oh noooo---I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night hearing this withOut the MP3 playing!


    EDIT: By the way, do you know that at the Box site you use, you can get the link to a single file, so it's the only thing displayed when a visitor goes there? It can be less confusing than remembering what it is one is supposed to look for. But on the other hand, linking to a folder of music, as you have, it invites us to play more things--so there's something to be said for both linking methods.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

    I only signed up with the Box site today, so I am still finding my way around it, thanks for the heads up.

    Ed
    //
    // Ars longa, vita brevis
    // http://edosbear.blogspot.com/
    //

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    Re: Insomnia

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Hi Ed,

    A fascinating listen... I love the way this moves, especially
    through the more aggressive center section.
    Thank you very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Ed, have you got score on this? I'd like to get a look at how
    the dynamics are written.
    Yes there is a score, however the sibeliusmusic site has been down for the last two days. I will post the link when the site is back up.

    The Dynamics simply run from PP to FF in the score.

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    This is an excellent rendering. I've really got to go nit-pick
    hard to find anything wrong with it... but I'll toss a couple
    of points out on it.

    The reason I want to see the dynamics is, I think the overall
    dynamic range may be a bit wide.

    The only other thing -- and I doubt anyone but a pianist
    would notice -- is the field seems a tad wide and separate.
    Just the barest touch. I think if it were me, I might try
    mixing about 10-15% of the left over to the right, and vice
    versa.
    Thank you for the suggestions, I will do the blenidng of the left and right channels, I have done that before to good effect, just forgot that step.

    Dynamics range, yea I like the expreme dynamic ranges, but it does not always work well in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    I actually find this very restful, by the way, Ed. Now, in
    an odd way, that rather reinforces your apparent intent
    of exploring insomnia, because I also find six cups of coffee
    the perfect evening chaser before a good night's sleep... lol.

    Very solid on the nuances of interpretation in this, Ed, lest
    I forget to mention that.

    My best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    .

    Thank you, I actually came up with the title after I wrote the piece.

    Ed
    //
    // Ars longa, vita brevis
    // http://edosbear.blogspot.com/
    //

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    Re: Insomnia

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Ed, have you got score on this? I'd like to get a look at how
    the dynamics are written.
    Score is at:
    http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin...?scoreid=58722
    //
    // Ars longa, vita brevis
    // http://edosbear.blogspot.com/
    //

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    Re: Insomnia

    Nice job on the score, Ed; an interesting challenge, too...

    The dynamics aren't scored unusually (certainly not in my book,
    anyway)... I'll routinely shoot around from pp to ff.

    When I mentioned the range might be "wide" I was, perhaps,
    unclear (some days are foggier inside my brain than others... lol).

    What I *should* have said, techno-bumbler that I am, is:
    perhaps the range of velocity settings assigned to the dynamics
    in your notation package should be somewhat narrower.

    I know my experience writing for piano in Finale would
    say that. If I used their stock expressions, for piano writing,
    they'd be way too much on the louder end; so I routinely
    edit them and pull them back in a little.

    My best,


    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    .

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    Re: Insomnia

    this isn't usually the type of music i go for but it was really good. you made the piano sound incredibly real is the vast majority of the piece. i don't know what you used, but it was a perfect amount of reverb.

    your piece kept a steady feel, but not once did it get boring or tired. somehow it kept its pace and flow without lag and remained interesting throughout. great job.
    -Keith Fuller

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    Re: Insomnia

    On the contrary I really enjoy this type of music

    I got here from Davids (Et lux) post in his own thread. that man is gold!

    Now on your track!

    It is MY kind of music indeed. I can't see the score awt all (damn scorch won't work at my computer, no matter how I try ). But the track sound very well made.

    The mix is fine as is, I believe, although a bit more centered left and right hands (as David mentioned) would definately be a plus! I can feel definately the change of velocity layers, but this has nothing to do with you really, but with the piano you're using, so no other comment here.

    One comment I would make regarding the composition as a composition, is that the harmonic language is just brilliant (the 12 note kinda system), but the polyrhythmic idea, doesn't seem to work VERY well. Problem is that 5/8 is 2+3, or 3+2. And 7/8 is 2+2+3, or 2+3+2, or 3+2+2. So these coincide a tad too often. If on the other hand you had attempted a mix of 5/8 with a 4/4 that would be BRILLIANT!

    One last favour if possible: I would relaly LOVE to see the score, and check how you notated the polyrhythmic parts. Is there any way of making the score into a pdf please? Pretty please? With sugar on top.

    Nikolas

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    Re: Insomnia

    I had thought I had listened to this once before but didn’t have time to comment. Now that Nicolas bumped this back to the front I have discovered I listened to the wrong one the first time.

    Anyway, now that I have listened to the right one a few times….

    The quiet part reminds me a little (a very little) of Satie, particularly when it first starts (through the first phrase of the right hand part). I mean this in a very good way.

    The polyrhythms might not be as extreme as they would be following Nicolas’ suggestion, but I like this – there is a little tension, but only enough to make it slightly restless, which, of course, goes with the title.

    Overall I like this a lot.
    Trent P. McDonald

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