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    Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    I'm a Finale 2007c.r2 user (no HP, manual MIDI programming) who
    upgraded to the new full GPO for K2 (univ. bin) a month or so ago at NI
    (for my MacIntel, yes, buggy, but workable for now).

    I am importing several slightly older Finale 2007 docs (from my Mac G5) which
    had orchestral setups using full GPO and K1.

    Things are fine as I (re)assign the GPO instruments in the K2 players, except I notice that the sound/timbre of the full GPO Timpani has changed.
    The attack is much stronger (sounds like a harder mallet, even at very low velocities) and the timbre is brighter. I think the Timpani in full GPO with K1 was far more realistic, particularly for quieter dynamics.
    Am I mistaken?

    (I have bypassed the reverb(s) to confirm the difference).

    Any comments/suggestions/observations on this?

    Just a small issue, but a disappointment.

    Thanks for any feedback.

    Best,
    Matt H.
    Apple Mac User

    1) Mac Pro two dualcore Intel 3GHz Xeon
    with 4GB RAM. OS X 10.4.11
    6 x Samsung Syncmaster214T LCD's

    2) Power Mac G5 dual 1.8Ghz
    with 2.5GB RAM, OS X 10.3.9

    --Finale 2008b.r1 user with
    Garritan full GPO and JABB
    --ProTools LE 7.3

  2. #2

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    I compared the two of them in Kontakt 2. I can't hear any difference at all. I can, however, hear the difference, you mention, when I compare the KP1 timpani with the same timpani loaded in K2 - at least for lower velocities. Must be the newer playback engine, that's responsible.

  3. #3

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Halper
    I'm a Finale 2007c.r2 user (no HP, manual MIDI programming) who
    upgraded to the new full GPO for K2 (univ. bin) a month or so ago at NI
    (for my MacIntel, yes, buggy, but workable for now).

    I am importing several slightly older Finale 2007 docs (from my Mac G5) which
    had orchestral setups using full GPO and K1.

    Things are fine as I (re)assign the GPO instruments in the K2 players, except I notice that the sound/timbre of the full GPO Timpani has changed.
    The attack is much stronger (sounds like a harder mallet, even at very low velocities) and the timbre is brighter. I think the Timpani in full GPO with K1 was far more realistic, particularly for quieter dynamics.
    Am I mistaken?

    (I have bypassed the reverb(s) to confirm the difference).

    Any comments/suggestions/observations on this?

    Just a small issue, but a disappointment.

    Thanks for any feedback.

    Best,
    Matt H.
    Hello Matt,

    I totally agree with you. In fact, I find the timpani in K2 almost unusable for quiet passages and gentle cres - dim. The timpani in K1 is far more realistic and whenever I need to use the timpani now I always use K1. I hope the timps sound better in the forthcoming fixed K2.
    Michael
    Patience is a virtue, sensitivity is a gift

  4. #4

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    I noticed this too. Hopefully, it has to do with the 'broken' features that were discovered and will be fixed with the next NI update.

    Rob

  5. #5

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    Thanks for some confirmation on K2 issues and Timp for quieter dynamics.

    Any suggestions for now?
    (Unfortunately I can't use both K1 and K2 on my Intel Mac and keep processing power up to speed to cover a full orchestra. Rosetta mode is a slug for real-time synthesis.)

    From what I've read on the GPO timp in the manual, there seems to be no controller assigned to "hardness of attack" (other than velocity--which doesn't change the timbre now) or some sort of filter (lowpass or otherwise) to roll-off the brightness. I am correct?

    As is, the timpani are far too present to be usable.


    Thanks.
    M
    Apple Mac User

    1) Mac Pro two dualcore Intel 3GHz Xeon
    with 4GB RAM. OS X 10.4.11
    6 x Samsung Syncmaster214T LCD's

    2) Power Mac G5 dual 1.8Ghz
    with 2.5GB RAM, OS X 10.3.9

    --Finale 2008b.r1 user with
    Garritan full GPO and JABB
    --ProTools LE 7.3

  6. #6

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Halper
    Any suggestions for now?

    Thanks.
    M
    I just used a bit of eq in the K2 player to tone it down to what I thought was acceptable.

    Rob

  7. #7

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    Thanks for alerting us to this issue. I did some testing and it appears to be a problem confined to the velocity=volume instruments like percussion. We will try to find a fix for a future update. In the meantime, it is possible to compensate for this using EQ in a host environment like a sequencer as suggested by Rob in the reply above.

    Tom

  8. #8

    Re: Change in Timpani from K1 to K2(?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hopkins
    Thanks for alerting us to this issue. I did some testing and it appears to be a problem confined to the velocity=volume instruments like percussion. We will try to find a fix for a future update. In the meantime, it is possible to compensate for this using EQ in a host environment like a sequencer as suggested by Rob in the reply above.

    Tom
    Thanks Tom. I just found this reply after responding in your official announcement.

    As I said, I get around it by using K1 for the percussion (K1 and K2 player appear to live happily together). Please advise if this is not recommended.

    Thanks.
    Michael
    Patience is a virtue, sensitivity is a gift

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