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    Ambient concert hall sounds?

    This is probably a goofy idea, but...

    I was listening to a live recording of a piano concerto today and I noticed one thing that's missing in the Garritan demos. Between the movements of the live recording I didn't hear silence. I heard the ambient sounds of a concert hall full of people trying to be quiet. At the breaks in the music people adjusted themselves in their seat. cleared their throats, coughed quietly, rustled the pages of their programs, etc.

    To get that final step in realism it seems like it would be fun to layer in an audio track of ambient audience sounds. All I could find Googling sound effects was the big sounds a crowd made, cheering, applause, talking, etc. Does anybody know where one might come up with a wave file of the kind of subtle audience noises one hears before and between the pieces of music at a live performance?

    Oh, and one more thing. As the last piano chord of the Chopin concerto died out to silence, there was one more subtle sound: The soft, but distinct "thunk" of the piano keys falling back into place as the pianist released the last, now silent chord. That's a nice touch too!

    --gary shannon
    http://www.soundclick.com/garyshannon

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Not a goofy idea at all, Gary; and some members have
    from time to time added room and other noises to their
    renderings to good effect.

    Somewhere there's a post for (free) noise samples in
    this section [anyone remember where?]. Bela D, I think.

    Many of the Garritan instruments in JABB also include
    breath and instrument noises, etc.; and it would seem
    likely that upcoming libraries like the Authorized Garritan
    Steinway and others will carry that idea forward for still
    greater realism.

    Personally, though you perhaps hear them only
    subliminally oftentimes -- I think they add a lot to
    a rendering.

    My best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    .

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Yup, it's Bela D's Scoring Noise:

    http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ad.php?t=48658

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by fiziwig
    This is probably a goofy idea, but...

    I was listening to a live recording of a piano concerto today and I noticed one thing that's missing in the Garritan demos. Between the movements of the live recording I didn't hear silence. I heard the ambient sounds of a concert hall full of people trying to be quiet. At the breaks in the music people adjusted themselves in their seat. cleared their throats, coughed quietly, rustled the pages of their programs, etc.

    To get that final step in realism it seems like it would be fun to layer in an audio track of ambient audience sounds. All I could find Googling sound effects was the big sounds a crowd made, cheering, applause, talking, etc. Does anybody know where one might come up with a wave file of the kind of subtle audience noises one hears before and between the pieces of music at a live performance?

    Oh, and one more thing. As the last piano chord of the Chopin concerto died out to silence, there was one more subtle sound: The soft, but distinct "thunk" of the piano keys falling back into place as the pianist released the last, now silent chord. That's a nice touch too!

    --gary shannon
    http://www.soundclick.com/garyshannon
    This has been done in a posting in the 'Listening Room'. I tried a quick search for it but couldn't find it.

    Personally, if audience noise is added to Gary's libraries I hope, as I imagine it would be, that it will be an option. I don't see any point whatsoever in adding audience noise to my recordings and would certainly not want this. This, of course, is my own opinion and I accept and respect those who would like this.
    Michael
    Patience is a virtue, sensitivity is a gift

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Just find a couple recordings of "4:33" and string them all together

    -Chris
    There is the music of Johann Sebastian Bach. Therefore there must be a God. You either get this one or you don't - Kreeft & Tacelli
    The will to achieve is not sufficient. Some things should not be achieved. - Rimsky-Korsakov
    Musicians are just these guys that want to make music. Okay, they want to have a wonderful lifestyle, but the majority just want to make really great music. - Jon Anderson


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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    "Music is the shorthand of emotion." Leo Tolstoy

    Listen to me, tuning my triangle http://www.box.net/shared/ae822u6r3i

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by suspenlute
    Just find a couple recordings of "4:33" and string them all together

    -Chris
    You know, I tried downloading a couple different midi performances of 4'33" at http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/cmc/twenty.html but there's just something that's lost in the midi rendition. Not sure what it is.

    Gunther --

    Those were fabulous! The hand clapping on Zillertaler-Hochzeitsmarsch was sehr erstaunlich! Was the hand clapping on a wav file also?

    --gary shannon
    http://www.soundclick.com/garyshannon

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by fiziwig

    Gunther --

    Those were fabulous! The hand clapping on Zillertaler-Hochzeitsmarsch was sehr erstaunlich! Was the hand clapping on a wav file also?

    --gary shannon
    http://www.soundclick.com/garyshannon
    Gary,

    the hand clapping is included in Gary Garritan`s new library CoMB. There you find it in the GM-Druminstrument. A very nice addition from Gary!

    Gunther
    "Music is the shorthand of emotion." Leo Tolstoy

    Listen to me, tuning my triangle http://www.box.net/shared/ae822u6r3i

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    Re: Ambient concert hall sounds?

    Maarten's free stage noise is very nice. Download it at http://www.maartenspruijt.com/digita...tion.com/?p=34

    Have you tried out the Bela D Media noise library yet? You'll find cheer creeking, musicians breathing and such... very good for the realism.

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