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    String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Hi,
    I am new in this board and use GPO for the first time. I composed a string quartett based on the very last sketches from Beethoven from November 1826 which he sketched for a planned string quintett in C-Major.
    From the whole introduction a piano transcription is known (WoO62) and the main themes of the following Allegro, Andante, Scherzo and Finale were sketched also. This is the 1st movement, Andante Maestoso / Allegro:

    http://www.esnips.com/doc/036e5a97-5...ketches-mov.-1

    I used the the Gagli Solo Violins KS.
    Since I am very new in using GPO I would appreciate your assessment regarding the technical rendition (and the work itself). What could I do to maybe improve the sound. Thank you!

    Gerd Prengel, Germany

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Welcome to the forum, Gerd!

    Excellent job in this; a wonderful introduction of your work.

    Technically, you've gotten quite a lot of miles out of the
    GPO solo violin. One thing I did note was the (common
    problem) "machine-gun" effect on repeated notes... which
    you can generally get around somewhat by shifting the
    dynamics and attacks a little.

    How are you working, Gerd? In a notation program,
    sequencer, etc.?

    My best,




    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Welcome Gerd,

    a great job you did for your first piece with GPO!

    David said the same things I thought, and he asked the same question I wanted to ask... .

    Best,

    Gunther
    "Music is the shorthand of emotion." Leo Tolstoy

    Listen to me, tuning my triangle http://www.box.net/shared/ae822u6r3i

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    Hi, Gerd "gprengel"

    Welcome to The Listening Room - the most active, friendliest spot on the web where music is posted.

    This is a very nice project to listen to. Great idea, to work with the last sketches by Beethoven.

    The others have asked what kind of software you're using. That will be helpful for us to know. I am guessing notation of some sort, like Finale, because the dynamic variety isn't too great. Notes tend to sustain at one unchanging volume rather than sing with shifting volume changes as is done with MIDI controller #1 usage (Mod Wheel).

    There is also no reverb on the recording. You will find that using at least modest amounts of reverb will make your use of these instruments sound even more natural.

    I look forward to hearing you talk more about how you are working.

    Thanks for posting your first and very promising use of GPO.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    This sounds like a very good start w/GPO. I am also curious with the same questions on my mind as the others do.

    I am not familiar with these sketches, so I am wondering how much of this piece is you and how much is the master?

    Welcome to the forum as well. I think you will come to like it here as much as the rest of us.

    Ron

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Thank you all for your kind welcoming me!
    To answer your questions:

    1) I just recently bought Finale 2008 where I imported my old midifiles.
    I tried to reedit the piece at the places where it was most neccessary, mostly regarding velocity and duration of notes with the Finale midi tool.
    I was unsure how much reverb I should apply. On the same Website I put also my 4th movement: Here I have a little more Reverb. Please check also this piece at:

    http://www.esnips.com/web/candlelight

    I don't know how to use MIDI controller #1 usage (Mod Wheel), which some of you mentioned. I have no keyboard. All I do is editing directly on the PC.

    How can I manage the problem with the short equal tremolo notes?

    2) As for the work itself I can say that the Andante maestose introduction is about 95% Beethoven. But only a piano transcription is known which I presented as a midi file in http://www.classicalarchives.com/beethoven.html
    --> search for "Last Musical Thought"
    I just rearranged it for a string quartet and changing it only a little bit

    Then there is the Allegro main theme at 1:50 thru 1:54 which is from Beethoven's sketches and another jubilant thought at 2:27 thru 2:32 which is also from Beethoven.
    From the other movements only the beginning main themes are from Beethoven

    Gerd

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    String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Hi,
    I took your advice and put some more reverb to the first movement which indeed give more fullness to the piece:

    http://www.esnips.com/doc/76aef477-8...First-Movement

    Furthermore I worked on my second movement, an Andante cantabile with 10 variations for which I ask you please to give me your impressions:

    http://www.esnips.com/doc/0828a541-2...ante-cantabile

    Even though the sketch is from the late Beethoven it sounds more from his earlier peroid reminding for example of the Andante of his first symphony.
    I am very fond of this movement especiallly those variations in minor move me very much.

    Gerd

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Interesting! Unfinished sketches by LVB always catch my eye (a lecturer at my old Uni was responsible for the first movement of "Beethoven's 10th symphony").

    I'll let other more able folk comment on technical aspects. To my ears it sounds well produced for a notation program, without repeating other comments about repeated notes.

    Are you a keyboard player? If you are and get the chance to get one (with a modulation wheel), I am a firm believer that the best results come from live playing rather than working off a computer screen. (Others may disagree, I know!)

    Especially for a first try, it sounds really good. Thanks for sharing!

    Owen

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    Hi:
    Nice use of gpo,,,the counterpoint in some instances is muddy, and as he was highly contrapuntal in the last years of life, more dynamics or more drastic dynamics to emphasize the melody vs. countermelody and phrase structure would be appropriate.
    I solve the machine gun tremolo problem in my sequencer by nudging and accents,,,,,I know this is severly time consuming, but, I am too stupid to make the machine gun go away with any other methods.
    Best wishes
    John

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    Re: String quartett on the last sketches from L.v.Beethoven

    As I presented to you already movements of my stringquartett based on Beethoven's last sketches for a string quintett from 1826 I present to you now the 3rd movement, a Scherzo Presto in c-minor. I think the sketch with remembrence of the famous "fate motif" from the fifth symphony in the cello is very unusual:

    http://gerdprengel.de/quartett3.jpg

    Please listen to what I made out of this little sketch:

    http://gerdprengel.de/WoO62-3.mp3

    Gerd

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