I want a Trumpet in C

[greenfox]

Seems easy enough, I know I can set up the range of a B-flat trumpet so that it's the same as a C trumpet, but it bothers me that in Finale Studio view I have to look at Trumpet in B-flat, mess with the transposition to get what I want.

Can I edit the gpofullinstrument.txt file to add a C trumpet or three? I presume I'd be able to use the same patch. I tried this without luck.

Any ideas?

A.J. Fox

[snorlax]

Hi...
1. I'm not 100% sure I understand the problem, but if you want to write C trumpet parts, go into the staff menu for the trumpet staff and uncheck "transposition." No need to mess with the .TXT file at all.
Also, if the staff name it gives is "Trumpet in Bb," you can edit that in the staff menu as well.

2. OR: If your problem is that you want to use Bb trumpet parts but enter the absolute pitches rather than the transposed ones (IOW you "think in C"), then just turn on "DISPLAY IN CONCERT PITCH" (in Fin 2008 it is on the DOCUMENT menu) and enter the absolute pitches. When you deselect it later, the parts will transpose automatically, so no need for you to transpose as you enter. If you choose this path, do NOT do #1!!! I also "think in C" when I write, so I have that turned on all the time.

Don't mess with any of the .TXT files unless absolutely necessary.

BTW: Just so you know--the C trumpet cannot play as low as the Bb can. The C trumpet has a lower limit of F# concert, whereas the Bb Trumpet ends on E (which is written as F# when transposing). I wasn't sure what you meant about the 2 trumpets having the same range. I think you were referring to the transposing.

Jim

[darrob]

Hi

Two sections need to be done.
One is the [INS:...] section, where the instruments are defined, the other is the [GRP:...] Section, where the entries in the wizard are defined.

I have included both sections, divided by a row of asterisks.
Insert the following into your gpofullinstrument.txt (for GPO KP1) or gpofull2instrument (for GPO KP2)

INSTRUCTIONS
Copy everything starting with the line reading [INS: Trumpet...] (under the row of '=') and ending at (but not including) the row of asterisks ('*'). Paste directly after the last trumpet entry in [INS] section of your existing file.

The section under the row of asterisks (*) goes further down, in the [grp] section, directly under the last Trumpet line ("Trumpet Solo Straight Mute)

Finally, check your 'instruments.txt' file (found in the components folder) for the following:

[INS:Trumpet in C]
Name = Trumpet in C
Abbr = C Tpt.
useKeySigs = 1
Transposition = 0
StaffType = standard
Clef = treble
Patch = 56
RangeLow = 54,54,54,65
RangeHigh = 84,79,74,79
ExWizDisp = 1

If the above is there, fine. If not, copy it into your instruments.txt file, directly under the Trumpet in Bb.

Make sure you make backup copies (into a different folder) before you make these changes.
PM me if you have any questions - let me know what version of Finale, and what version of GPO.

Cheers...

Daz :0)

================================================== =====
[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 1 KS]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 1 KS
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr1 KS.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 1]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 1
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr1.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 2 KS]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 2 KS
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr2 KS.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 2]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 2
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr2.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 3 KS]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 3 KS
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr3 KS.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Player 3]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Player 3
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Plr3.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Solo ag]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Solo ag
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Solo ag.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Solo KS]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Solo KS
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Solo KS.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 1 Solo]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 1 Solo
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 1 Solo.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 2 Player 1]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 2 Player 1
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 2 Plr1.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 2 Player 2]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 2 Player 2
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 2 Plr2.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 2 Player 3]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 2 Player 3
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 2 Plr3.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C 2 Solo]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C 2 Solo
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt 2 Solo.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Overlay ag]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Overlay ag
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Overlay ag.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Overlay]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Overlay
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Overlay.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Player 1 Straight Mute]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Player 1 Straight Mute
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Plr1 Straight Mute.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Player 2 Straight Mute]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Player 2 Straight Mute
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Plr2 Straight Mute.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Player 3 Straight Mute]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Player 3 Straight Mute
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Plr3 Straight Mute.nki

[INS:Trumpet in C Solo Straight Mute]
DisplayName = Trumpet in C Solo Straight Mute
InstType = Trumpet in C
Patch = 56
SampleFile = 9. Notation/2. Brass/2. Trumpets/n-Tpt Solo Straight Mute.nki

************************************************** ******
Trumpet in C 1 Player 1 KS = x
Trumpet in C 1 Player 1 = x
Trumpet in C 1 Player 2 KS = x
Trumpet in C 1 Player 2 = x
Trumpet in C 1 Player 3 KS = x
Trumpet in C 1 Player 3 = x
Trumpet in C 1 Solo ag = x
Trumpet in C 1 Solo KS = x
Trumpet in C 1 Solo = x
Trumpet in C 2 Player 1 = x
Trumpet in C 2 Player 2 = x
Trumpet in C 2 Player 3 = x
Trumpet in C 2 Solo = x
Trumpet in C Overlay ag = x
Trumpet in C Overlay = x
Trumpet in C Player 1 Straight Mute = x
Trumpet in C Player 2 Straight Mute = x
Trumpet in C Player 3 Straight Mute = x
Trumpet in C Solo Straight Mute = x

[Reegs]

I am not 100% certain and don't have my manual within reach at the moment, but I believe the actual sampled trumpets for GPO are in C, whereas those for marching band and jazz band are in Bb.

Not that it affects notation in the slightest, but still an interesting tidbit.

[darrob]

The picture in the GPO manual shows a Bb trumpet. However, the instrument table says that the principal Solo Trumpet is a 'C'.

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[rbowser-]

--wow--And all I do is just grab a trumpet and start playing.



Randy B.
(rbowser)

[snorlax]

--wow--And all I do is just grab a trumpet and start playing.



Randy B.
(rbowser)

Well, there's the problem, young fellow...get yourself a euphonium!!!

[greenfox]

Thanks to all who replied:

I'm using Finale 2008 and the full GPO.

Snorlax,

'staff menu for the trumpet staff '

I was trying to change things in studio view, instrument list etc. didn't hit on that.


Darrob,

Great, I don't mind messing with program 'innards' I work alot with VBA for MS office. So I will try both Snorlax's and your solutions.


Reegs

My GPO just says trumpet. It's when it goes into Finale that it makes it trumpet in B-flat. I didn't think it was anything serious, just wanted to know.


Rbowser

My inclination as well, however I'm an old fart who's gone back to school...I need every mark I can muster.


Thanks again to all. Great forum.

[darrob]

Great, I don't mind messing with program 'innards' I work alot with VBA for MS office. So I will try both Snorlax's and your solutions.

One of the things with Finale is the fact that you are able to configure the instruments.txt and associated VST text files to suit your particular needs.
Most instruments are pre-configured, but there is always room for expansion.
The advantages of modifying these text files is that once they are done, using the wizard will set the instruments up properly, not needing any other mucking about in the staff attributes.

The help has a section on the instruments.txt file (look in the index for 'instruments.txt') and what each field does. The syntax for the gpofullin2strument.txt is similar.

Cheers...

Daz :0)