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    Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    I'm using Sonar 7 and CoMB and working on the realisation of one of my favorite marches and I've run across this problem. There are a number of woodwind runs which consist of 16th note septuplets. Can someone show me how I can do this using Sonar? I've searched the online manual but if it's in there I'm missing it. I'm certain that it's possible but my poor, tired brain is stumped at the present. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
    Jerry
    Dayton, Kentucky
    Personally, I'm waiting for caller IQ.

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    Oh my, Jerry - You're right that you're not going to find a quantization for Septuplets - and I think that was your concern, not finding it available on the quantization grid?

    UPDATE - 11/15/07 - In Jamie "Skysaw"s reply 7 posts down on this same thread, he explains that there is a second Quantization window in Sonar where Tuplet Quantization is available. So I was incorrect---Inserting this update so future thread readers aren't mislead.

    My original suggestion below to play the notes and edit them, without using any Quantization, still stands - I feel that would still be the preferred way to do this:
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    You're using a fine DAW there, Sonar - Here's my recommendation. Record the notes. Sure, they're liable to be lousy, but then with the Grid turned OFF in Staff View, drag them around until they're evenly spaced in the amount of the measure they should occupy. Or use the Piano Roll View. Then use your ears to judge the results.

    The best work is often done without any absolute quantization, just judicious editing so the note on events aren't overly sloppy.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    It may be possible to "fake" a septuplet by breaking each of them into a 4+3 pattern - four 32nd notes followed by a 16th note triplet or vice-versa (3+4) depending on how they lead into the next note.
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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    Another thought - you can notate the septuplets in Finale and then export it to Sonar.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    Well darn it...one more thing. I agree with Randy that over-quantization kills the music very quickly.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .Solved

    Thanks, guys. I found the answer - quite by accident. In the Transport-->Step Record dialog box there is a place where you can input the number of notes you want and the time frame to place them in. (It even tells you the number of ticks for each note of that value!) Then, you just step record the passage and the notes are placed quite correctly. I'll go through the runs and "humanize" them after I get them all in.

    I am finding more and more neat tricks in Sonar the more I use it and I've had it for over 2 years now. I could never have done this so easily 13 years ago when I was using eMagic's Logic. We've come a long way since then. And . . . I really am loving CoMB! It is a fantastic sounding library!

    Again, thanks. We can close this thread now.
    Last edited by Jaybee; 11-14-2007 at 07:17 PM. Reason: Correct spelling
    Jerry
    Dayton, Kentucky
    Personally, I'm waiting for caller IQ.

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    aaaaaah, OOOkay, Jay - I didn't want to tell you about step recording. Because --

    It'd be better to ---play them, and move them into better positions with the grid off---

    You found A way to do it, Another answer, but not The answer. Nothing wrong with that utility except that it's absolutely quantized (s-h-u-d-d-e-r)- I like the part where you said you'd move the notes to humanize them. See, I was trying to get you to do the Human part first.

    Actually, I don't actually know if you use a keyboard or not, so maybe my answer wasn't possible.

    At least you got it going now. Cool!

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    In Sonar you can do any type of tuplet you want using the Cakewalk MIDI FX:

    Process/MIDI Fx/Cakewalk FX/Quantize...

    In the Quantize window that comes up, check the "Tuplet:" box, and put in:
    7:4

    Much easier than messing with the step recorder, I think. You can also add in some of the random function/swing/strength in this same window.
    - Jamie Kowalski

    All Hands Music - Kowalski on the web
    The Ear Is Always Correct - Writings on composition

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    Re: Septuplets?? How do I . . .

    Jamie,

    I have never seen or used that function! What a great thing. Thanks for the enlightenment.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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