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    La Valse (Ravel)

    Hi all,

    This piece was on once before, but I've worked it over quite a bit since then. My ultimate aim was to incorporate all the glissandi indicated in the score. To that end, I was going to utilize Sonar and KP2 (for the strings) as well as Garritan Studio. However, the results, so far, haven't been too good, so this is a new version using the old system, sans glissandi. (Actually, a lot of the glissandi are more obvious visually than they are aurally).

    http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Showband.asp?id=12750

    I hope you like it.

    Regards,

    Jack

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    Re: La Valse (Ravel)

    Jack:

    Quite a project. It sounds good to me, but I hear
    a lot of bass in the mix. Is that intended or is it
    my audio equipment?

    Thanks for posting this great work.

    Jack
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    Jack

    This sounds great. The gliss's in the harp sound great. The only small thing I see is that I had to turn up my volume some to hear the piece.

    Well done

    Ron

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    Re: La Valse (Ravel)

    Hi Jack,

    Thanks for listening. It could be that there's too much bass, since I work almost entirely with an average set of headphones, which may not show it up. I'll have to try and check that out.

    Regards,

    Jack

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    Re: La Valse (Ravel)

    Quote Originally Posted by rolifer
    Jack

    This sounds great. The gliss's in the harp sound great. The only small thing I see is that I had to turn up my volume some to hear the piece.

    Well done

    Ron
    Hi Ron,

    Thanks for your comments. My reference to glissandi was those in the strings. Whenever I heard a performance of this piece, the first few bars are always almost inaudable, and I tried to kind of emulate that.

    Regards,

    Jack

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    Fantastic, Jack

    I always enjoy your posts, and this has to be one of the most effective pieces you've put together yet. Beautiful piece done very well.

    I listen to things on small computer speakers, so I don't notice the bass sounding like too much per se, but I do hear a heaviness throughout which could be what people are talking about, and which I'd realize is too much bass if I moved this over to better speakers.

    I think there are passages where the strings would have benefited from more Legato work. - And it's possible that the dynamic range of the recording is a bit too wide - almost inaudible to loud enough to call for some knob twiddling.

    But my opening paragraph is the most important one - I loved hearing this and am very impressed.

    Thanks, Jack.

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    First and foremost, Jack -- a considerable under-
    taking, and an extremely good job on it. I was
    really impressed with the interpretation of the piece.
    This is a devil of a piece to "get right", and your
    conducting in this is excellent!

    On the overall sound, were it me, I think I'd
    shoot for a little more smoothness in it... to my
    ear, this still seems somewhat dry around the
    strings. The bass others mentioned... I ran
    this up on my JBL studio monitors, fairly decent
    speakers -- and I did *not* find it to be at all
    excessive. Slightly less, maybe; but not too
    much.

    I think I'd go along with another look at overall,
    end-to-end balance, too. Some of the softest
    material might be a little too soft; and likewise,
    a couple of forte's might be pulled back slightly.
    I'm well -- oh, too darned well... lol -- aware
    of the difficulty of getting that right in a large
    piece like this, by the way. A couple of mine,
    just about drove me nuts on that; and I don't
    think I ever did get them quite right.

    Much applause for a great job on this, Jack.
    It's one heck of a performance.

    Best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
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    Re: La Valse (Ravel)

    Hi Randy and David,

    Thank you both for your comments.

    It's interesting that you both picked up on the too wide range of dynamics. Actually, one of the things I tried to do in reworking this piece was to make the soft parts (especially the opening) softer, and the loud parts louder. More or less to fill up the available dynamic range. I base this partly on listening to a recording I have on tape of Ozawa conducting the Boston Symphony, although there's probably more clarity in their recording. However, I'll check it out again.

    Thanks again for listening, and for your help.

    Best regards,

    Jack

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