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    Elsa's Procession

    WAGNER TRANSCRIPTION BY Lucian Cailliet.
    Ahuge score that takes a lot of memory.
    Here's a MCB version.
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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    It looks like i get the pleasure of writing the first comment.
    It's a very nice piece and i think this render is very balanced and overall well thought out.
    Hope you get more comments!

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    Dan.
    Trumpet, cornet, flugel player. Composer and student.

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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    Thanks for listening, Dan.
    I have been a big "ELSA" fan since I first performed it in 1958 at the TRI-STATE FESTIVAL in Enid, Oklahoma.
    Lucian Calliet directed the piece and we also performed one of his newest works.
    The last time I performed it was with the NTSU band conducted by Maurice Mcadow. I think it was probably one of his "trademark" pieces.
    Gary
    Last edited by garymosse; 01-04-2008 at 02:35 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Hi, Gary

    It really is a nice piece of 19th Century semi-schmaltzy music, and I like it.

    Quite a project, putting this together, and it made for a pleasant listen.

    And here's a recent thread from the Support and Technical Forum I want to direct you to:

    http://northernsounds.com/forum/show...754#post545754

    Larry Alexander was having difficulties with CMB, and a good discussion ensued - and the happy conclusion was that Larry solved his problems and now is creating much more successful renderings with his CMB library.

    The problems he was having are exactly those that can be heard in your piece. Take some time to go through that thread - It could help you a lot in getting rid of the organ/accordion/synth sound which is heard throughout your "Elsa."

    Randy B.

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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    Thanks for listening, Randy.
    This was a long project. The score was large and the notes were little.
    Back in the early 60's there was a French set-up for band which this slightly demonstrates.
    Upper winds were larger than 2nd & 3rd parts with a focus on strong upper notes. These upper wind notes are higher than most.

    I will check on the discussion page.
    Gary

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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    Gary,

    I have listened through this. I agree it is a monster of a work to put in place and one that I know very well.

    My overall impression is that it is way to loud in the first half. The is nothing left to build to the dramatic, clamatic ending. The beginning should be incredibly delicate, almost paper thin. And then very, very slowly build as the work progresses. Also, it could stand to be a little slower in tempo to aid in holding the tension throughout the work. You might want to consider creating a custom set of expressions to allow finer control of the sound levels. That will give it the ability to build at a more controlled rate.

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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    Thanks for listening, Gary.
    I have to agree with you about the dynamic plan. I think I got so involved in getting the notes correct that I didn't think about the sameness.
    Ironically, this was exactly six minutes long and the score indicates five minutes.
    I would be interested in the "custom set of dynamics" idea.
    Gary

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    Very nice job on this overall, Gary; quite a project!

    Finale lets you make custom expressions, which, especially for
    dynamics, are extremely useful... particularly in a piece like
    this with a relatively broad dynamic scope, end-to-end.

    I also find it useful for getting better control of balance
    amongst instruments, often using, for example, somewhat
    different fortes (by using the same markup but setting
    different levels in the expression editor) for different instruments.

    My best,



    David
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    Re: Elsa's Procession

    Thanks for listening, David.
    I will look into the dynamic expression choice. Frequently I want to have suttle differences in dynamics in my own work, but the difference is not what a"mf" to a "f" indicates.
    Gary

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