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    trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Hi.

    I have a question.
    I'm doing babysteps with arranging for brass. ( being a guitarplayer for 30 years ).

    But I like it a lot, and I'm really enjoying the online arr. courses.

    I have a problem though. It has to do with the trombone and euphonium ( tuba, bariton ).

    Most instruments are clear to me. But the I have a hard time making up different voices for these two. I have the tendency to treat them both as one instrument, because they seam to be in the same range. Do they have different functions ? Especially in marching music ? Or should I let them play the same, thus making the color of the voice richer.

    The sound of trobone seems a lot more raw then that of euphonium, so maybe use euphonium more to complete the harmonies and trombone to cut through with counter/ echo melodies ?

    I would appreciate some light on this issue. Thanks in advance.

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    The design of the two instruments (or 3). Trombone and Euphonium (Baritone being the 3rd) are different soi they have a different timbre. The trombone is a slide instrument which adds a different set of sounds. The other two are valved instruments. There is also a slight difference in the the bore (the tube shape) of these instruments. I believe the Euphonium is a bell up instrument (bell points up) and the Baritone is a bell front ( bell points to the audience). Both tend to be treated as a Tenor Tuba (an instrument popular in the day of Gustav Holst.) The trombone is less conical in shape and gives a more brassy (bright character) to its timbre. The Euphonium, like the horn, is more conical and gives a more mellow (lyrical) sound.

    Thus the Euphonium, especially in a brass band is is melodically.

    I hope this helps a bit. I would recommend reading some orchestration books especially on the different brass instruments. I recommend: Walter Piston's: Orchestration
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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Thank you.

    But isn't the trombone used for melodies a lot too ? Like in playing along with the trumpets an octave lower ?

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Practically any instrument can be utilized melodically.

    Also, check my "The Brass Seer" in this forum's "Listening Room" and you will see a few of the ways the lower brass, including trombones, can be used in a composition.

    Regards,

    Larry Alexander
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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Dear Koella

    Am I hallucinating, or have you not recently started a near identical thread on GPO Academy and received and extensive and instructive reply from a music academic specialising in brass?

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Well, maybe it's difficult to answer my question by just words.

    Let me give an example: I make up a melody ( trumpet/ cornet ) a second voice below ( trumpets/ flugelhorn) then I add 2 trombone voices and bass tuba to complete the harmonic picture. I have a 4/5 layer harmonisation now.

    There seems no place for the baritone/euphonium anymore. So what can I write for that instrument that doesn't interfere with the other tenor ( trb ) voices ?

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    I'm facing a similar problem. My main project right now is a commissioned work for trombone, euphonium, and piano.

    Since both instruments can play melodic or supporting parts, I am having them trade off roles during the course of the piece. Trombone may play lead for one phrase, while euphonium takes over in the next phrase.

    I wouldn't get too caught up in finding a "proper" use for either instrument. Instead, find what they're capable of, then mix it up.

    Also, there's no rule that says all the instruments have to be playing all the time. If you can't think of something for everyone to do, it would be OK to let one player not play for a few measures.
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    Cool Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dermod
    Dear Koella

    Am I hallucinating, or have you not recently started a near identical thread on GPO Academy and received and extensive and instructive reply from a music academic specialising in brass?
    OMG I'm so ashamed. I thought my post hadn't come through at the time due to internet problems. I totally forgot to check whether it did. I had a quick look and it indeed seems to answer my questions.

    Again sorry.

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by koella
    OMG I'm so ashamed. I thought my post hadn't come through at the time due to internet problems. I totally forgot to check whether it did. I had a quick look and it indeed seems to answer my questions.

    Again sorry.
    I've looked in the GPO Academy and can't find this post. Is it still there or has it been moved/deleted?
    Michael
    Patience is a virtue, sensitivity is a gift

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    Re: trombone versus euphonium, how to place in arrangment ?

    Hi Michael,

    Here it is: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ad.php?t=58012

    It was in the common problems in orchestration section.

    --Richard

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