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    What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    First let me say I own E/W Goliath and I love it, I think its worth the money ( even though I got a great deal on it) but I have tested their programs Ministry Of Rock & Gypsy, and I must say for the price I dont think you get what you pay for. Theres no question that the quality is top notch but some of these programs are lacking in quantity. I have Trilogy and RMX and I still havent got a chance to go through all the sounds yet. Anyway these are just my thoughts. What are yours?
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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Some of the specialist sample sets, like Gypsy, are smaller than EW's bigger libraries like Colossus or Goliath, but the quality is very good.

    I have never bought a product of theirs that has not made its way into a movie score.

    If you want tons of great sounds, check out SD2, which is a monster. Judging by what many say and from my own experience, it doesn't take long before the average composer has 4,000 samples of each instrument and what you really want is a smaller number of very good ones that actually work in context, rather than just lots of gigabytes. I don't mean to imply that you are saying that, but I am sure you will agree that you can't measure bang-for-the-buck by the size of the library alone.

    I have a lot of EW stuff because I think it sounds better than anybody else's when it's actually used in a large orchestral piece of music -- that is, not a solo line but a full orchestral mock-up.

    I write movie scores and sometimes trailer music. In both cases, some or all the instruments get replaced, but if the director or producer hears something weak I have to rewrite, which I don't like. I find that the way EW approaches sampling ends up sounding less synthy and 'accordion-like' than other sample libraries, again, when it's all together. If I run out of money or time I use the samples and I find that they blend very effectively, even for a theatrical release.

    If you want chamber music and an austere, or more concert-hall sound, I suggest you try Vienna too.
    Kind regards,

    John
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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Second but not third rate... and a bit pricey. But they have a place in the big wide world.

    Shame Stormdrum 2 is about as advanced as Spectrasonics was 10 years ago. Dig up midifiles from a distant folder? Come on!
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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Quote Originally Posted by One Track Music View Post
    Second but not third rate... and a bit pricey. But they have a place in the big wide world.

    Shame Stormdrum 2 is about as advanced as Spectrasonics was 10 years ago. Dig up midifiles from a distant folder? Come on! Compatriot Nick Phoenix: get you ~~~~ together dude. & Doug temper the greed.
    Well said OTM. Couldn't have said it any better. I equate that pair to used car salesmen, but you gotta hand it to them, they are good at it. There is however such a thing as being to greedy, as the dongle probably cost them dearly. I love how a plan comes together like that.

    Don't miss out though, Their 20th anniversary sale is on! Not to be confused with the Fourth of July sale, or the New Years sale, or the take your Mother out to dinner sale, or the Baby got Back sale. Buy one get one free!! Half off while supplies last!!! Don't ya just feel like ya gotta have it regardless of it's value?!!

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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    I only own RA and EWQLSC, so I haven't dealt with them too much, but my gut instinct is that there is a certain arrogance there.

    Take, for instance, the screwed up ranges of EWQLSC, due to a whole load of samples they either forgot to record, or forgot to include. For a developer, who hypes their own 'cutting edgeness' so much, to have even made that mistake is just downright unbelievable. But if that had been Gary, or Francis, or many other developers, their immediate priority would have been to sort it out, so that customers had what they believed they had bought. Whereas the EastWest approach, with no embarrassment whatsoever, is to simply indicate that the problem may or may not be sorted out in the Play version. There's no indication when that may be (and, so far, we're talking several years with a defective product for the early adopters). Nor is there an indication of whether there will be a cheap upgrade route, or whether we're simply going to have to buy the product all over again.

    I really do love RA, and I'd love to buy Gypsy and Voices of Passion, but my gut feeling about them is making me wary. I have a feeling that the more I deal with them the more EWQLSC experiences I'm going to have.

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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Quote Originally Posted by One Track Music View Post
    Second but not third rate... and a bit pricey. But they have a place in the big wide world.

    Shame Stormdrum 2 is about as advanced as Spectrasonics was 10 years ago. Dig up midifiles from a distant folder? Come on!
    It does seem that E/W does make for the present, while Spectrasonics reaches for the future.
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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu View Post
    I only own RA and EWQLSC, so I haven't dealt with them too much, but my gut instinct is that there is a certain arrogance there.

    Take, for instance, the screwed up ranges of EWQLSC, due to a whole load of samples they either forgot to record, or forgot to include. For a developer, who hypes their own 'cutting edgeness' so much, to have even made that mistake is just downright unbelievable. But if that had been Gary, or Francis, or many other developers, their immediate priority would have been to sort it out, so that customers had what they believed they had bought. Whereas the EastWest approach, with no embarrassment whatsoever, is to simply indicate that the problem may or may not be sorted out in the Play version. There's no indication when that may be (and, so far, we're talking several years with a defective product for the early adopters). Nor is there an indication of whether there will be a cheap upgrade route, or whether we're simply going to have to buy the product all over again.

    I really do love RA, and I'd love to buy Gypsy and Voices of Passion, but my gut feeling about them is making me wary. I have a feeling that the more I deal with them the more EWQLSC experiences I'm going to have.
    Hi Pingu, don't want to hijack this thread, but could you please be more specific about the EWQLSC problem? Never heard of it and I was just about to buy SC and RA during the sale. Thank you.

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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu View Post
    I only own RA and EWQLSC, so I haven't dealt with them too much, but my gut instinct is that there is a certain arrogance there.

    Take, for instance, the screwed up ranges of EWQLSC, due to a whole load of samples they either forgot to record, or forgot to include. For a developer, who hypes their own 'cutting edgeness' so much, to have even made that mistake is just downright unbelievable. But if that had been Gary, or Francis, or many other developers, their immediate priority would have been to sort it out, so that customers had what they believed they had bought. Whereas the EastWest approach, with no embarrassment whatsoever, is to simply indicate that the problem may or may not be sorted out in the Play version. There's no indication when that may be (and, so far, we're talking several years with a defective product for the early adopters). Nor is there an indication of whether there will be a cheap upgrade route, or whether we're simply going to have to buy the product all over again.

    I really do love RA, and I'd love to buy Gypsy and Voices of Passion, but my gut feeling about them is making me wary. I have a feeling that the more I deal with them the more EWQLSC experiences I'm going to have.
    I own Voices Of Passion, its pretty cool, but again I feel like there could have been more to it. When I first got it and went through it , my first reaction was " damn thats it". It sounds good though,lol....
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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu View Post
    Take, for instance, the screwed up ranges of EWQLSC, due to a whole load of samples they either forgot to record, or forgot to include.
    I have seen repeated incorrect statements about these ranges. I spent 25 years singing with amateur and professional choirs, from madrigal singers to huge cathedral choirs and the ranges are within what an experienced composer would write for a real group unless it is something exceptional. The Soprano and Tenor ranges certainly are fine. The Bass and Alto ranges are within the ranges of what one would normally write for SATB, unless you have an exceptional group (though I do wish the basses had another minor third on the high side).

    HOWEVER -- a lot of people who have loaded the samples incorrectly keep repeating that the ranges are messed up, which they are if and only if you load them wrong. Check the manual. The ranges in the manual are what you get. I did load them wrong the first time and had the same weird / wrong / tiny ranges until I got it right.

    As far as arrogance, what? Pricing? Have you checked pricing for Vienna or Sonivox or some of the other "real time" string guys?

    Otherwise, are you talking about stuff that isn't perfect in it's 1.0 release format? If you want to pick on a company that has been less than overwhelming about putting out software, how about Kontakt 3's initial reception or Giga languishing for years or just skipping a real solution for Intel for the thousands of Atmosphere users?

    These guys are all human and they work for tiny, tiny companies. It's not Microsoft, or even Tascam. Every one of these companies makes errors and rushes stuff out, with patches coming sometimes within days or a week of release (NI, or the Atmosphere wrapper to pick two examples) so IMHO it's a bit unfair to single out one of them.

    As a user on another forum stated, "I'm sick of being a beta tester." Unfortunately, it's really a matter of degree for the new products I've tested. The powerful ones are kind of buggy (that is, they don't always perform as one would hope in a really complex system) and the weaker-sounding ones are, well, weak.

    I've got a lot of people's products and EW's sound just great, particularly when ganged together. I own three very expensive, very well known libraries of orchestral samples that I barely use at all any more, except for special situations, as they just sound too processed when you are trying to emulate full orchestra. In sections, great. Together, the big accordion.
    Kind regards,

    John
    www.johngrahammusic.com

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    Re: What Do You Guys Feel About East/west Products?

    I have a number of East west products (Pre Dongle).
    I consider the samples to be less than stellar. There are many badly played notes that should have been redone, but that cost them money, and thats not the way East West does their thing. This is an assembly line company from what I can tell. I don't expect the samples to emulate the player. I expect the samples to emulate the instrument, and expect every sample to be pristine. When one considers the initial price of their products, one must expect quality on the very high end.

    I even heard on one particular sample a person sighing at the end of the note. When I heard that I couldn't help but think they had absolutely no quality control on the samples whatsoever, because it was impossible to miss.

    Their mantra must be this.
    Get as much product out as is humanly possible, regardless of the quality, or lets record this instrument, and hope that it comes out good, because we won't be recording any of the samples a second time.

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