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    Garritan Steinway demo quality

    There is just one thing I can't understand (or pretend I do not understand ) - a lot of efforts to pick an instrument and location, a lot of efforts and tons of expensive gear to capture samples, mind-blowing work to replace real instrument with a sampled one in videos and ... low quality, distorted by design, 192 kbit mp3 demos.

    "Compare 16 bit good quality with 24 bit high quality sound using our 16 bit 192 kbit/s mp3 samples" - sounds like a real challenge...

    Unfortunately it is rather common marketing tactic: use low quality audio format, use professional pianist to record nice piece and let the consumer to extend quality of performer to the quality of sample library and rush for order button.

    Just wonder, why not offer the source midi sequence along with samples rendered in 24 bit lossless audio? Both bandwidth (download) and effort wise this approach would require a fraction of what audio replacement in video requires...

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Thank you for your nice post Eastwest,
    have a nice day!

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Not sure about your message, as I have no relationship to Eastwest Communications. I would suggest re-reading my forum id.

    As a matter of fact I will be probably one of the first adopters of basic edition. However I hate the idea of marketing datafeed as the only source of information. I do not have any Garritan distributors nearby, there is no downloadable demo (middle octave with all C's would be enough to make an informed decision) and sound quality of demo files is rather low to make any judgments. Unfortunately this is common practice. Some publishers offer hi-res records, but demo software is rather forbidden topic. Unfortunately, unless there are obvious flaws, it is nearly impossible to evaluate the product without playing the instrument. At least I can't do it.

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    If you would like a wav file of some of the demos just request it from Garritan.
    Dan

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Sorry,

    But on the contrary to what you say, Garritan is NOT using highly specialised professionals to do his demos. He has repeatedily said, and he's done so, that he's using demos from ordinary users of this forum. For all his products. Steinway is quite new, so probably not many demos up there yet, but there will come, no worries. GPO has more than 1000 demos (!) which I think is more than enough to make a judgement.

    not that a 24-bit wav file would be a bad idea really, I understand that.

    Dan, I can't say I see much connection to EW really... If they have resorted in such tactics then boo to them really. I would hope that EW is above that...

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Sure. Looks like this is what I am doing right now It would be great to have Jazz Comparison Demos in lossless along with midi. Would help to learn difference between "good quality 16 bit" and "high quality 16 bit" and also compare results of rendering with another sample libraries. Yes, all those "good/high quality 16 bit" and "24 bit" are highly subjective and sound hardware dependent. But again, there is no way to find out "which edition will match my ears/ my setup" without lossless audio samples.

    re. EW
    For the record: I use the eastwright user ID on numerous occasions (forums) since 1999 when I registered a company with the same name. The ID bears no particular meaning, it is just not taken on almost any web forum etc. I would suggest avoiding to be overparanoid over competitors

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Quote Originally Posted by eastwright View Post
    I would suggest avoiding to be overparanoid over competitors
    ...not so much 'paranoid' as threadbare from the constant onslaught of shills that vector in from other companies and forae. You might be new here so it's understandable that you might not be aware of the history behind DPDAN's reaction.
    Houston Haynes - Titan Line Music

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Haynes View Post
    You might be new here so it's understandable that you might not be aware of the history behind DPDAN's reaction.
    Should I? I really do not believe me or anybody deserves such a reaction. And definitely I am not going to study archives of any forum just to learn about roots of someone's personal attitudes and suspicions. I have asked pretty straight and technical question. But it looks I missed the mainstream, as my question was not about shills, competitors and all that stuff...

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    Re: Garritan Steinway demo quality

    Quote Originally Posted by eastwright View Post
    There is just one thing I can't understand (or pretend I do not understand ) - a lot of efforts to pick an instrument and location, a lot of efforts and tons of expensive gear to capture samples, mind-blowing work to replace real instrument with a sampled one in videos and ... low quality, distorted by design, 192 kbit mp3 demos.

    "Compare 16 bit good quality with 24 bit high quality sound using our 16 bit 192 kbit/s mp3 samples" - sounds like a real challenge...

    Unfortunately it is rather common marketing tactic: use low quality audio format, use professional pianist to record nice piece and let the consumer to extend quality of performer to the quality of sample library and rush for order button.

    Just wonder, why not offer the source midi sequence along with samples rendered in 24 bit lossless audio? Both bandwidth (download) and effort wise this approach would require a fraction of what audio replacement in video requires...

    Maybe because of bandwidth?

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