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    Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    --I emerge briefly from the dark recesses of my home studio, blinking under the glare of unfamiliar light--

    And the reason I've temporarily emerged is to say:

    After working with Sibelius for a couple of weeks now, having some struggles with it like any Newbie, I have nothing but TOTAL admiration for those of you here who use notation programs like Sibelius on a regular basis.

    And what I'm especially admiring of is how so many of you can produce such fantastic sounding recordings from notation programs.

    My jaw drops - my head spins - Now that I'm laboriously working away to make decent looking print outs, I'm only using the playback as an aural reference to get an idea of how my arrangements are coming along - I wouldn't DREam of attempting to make a presentable recording from what I'm doing. I know it's possible, but omigosh, the endless tweaking and massaging that you guys go through to get the results you get--HATS OFF TO YOU!

    I shall continue as I've been doing, relying on Sonar for recordings, because I can work efficiently and organically with music in a sequencer, while Sibelius does a stellar job of making pro looking manuscripts. For me, I'll keep using the two different programs for their main purposes-not trying to squeeze recordings out of Sib, and not trying to squeeze printed scores out of Sonar.

    Really - You guys have always blown me away with your music, but now I am REally over-the-top more blown away than ever, now that I see first hand the kind of things you have to do to achieve the great results we can hear on a daily basis over in The Listening Room.

    BIG HUGE Applause for notation users world wide!

    Randy B.
    (rbowser)

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    I guess I'm with you on this. I consider myself more or less an expert on Sibelius, but only on the notation-specific parts of it, and not on using it for realizations... I've never even attempted it!
    - Jamie Kowalski

    All Hands Music - Kowalski on the web
    The Ear Is Always Correct - Writings on composition

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Randy,

    Beware! If you continue working like this you may even find yourself saying one day:

    "How could I ever do without a notation program.........???"



    Yudit

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Well, Randy. that is the way I work, and will continue to do so! At least for notation, Sibelius will get a lot easier after a bit more use.

    Richard

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Well, I'd say I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I use Finale '08, and if it weren't for the Human Playback feature, I'd be overwhelmed by all the technical jargin required to make a decent sounding sample! I have the utmost respect for all you people who don't use notation software!
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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Quote Originally Posted by sanyarem View Post
    Well, I'd say I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I use Finale '08, and if it weren't for the Human Playback feature, I'd be overwhelmed by all the technical jargin required to make a decent sounding sample! I have the utmost respect for all you people who don't use notation software!
    Me too!!!!!!

    Raymond

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    ROFL! You made my day, Randy.

    But with Michael, I've got to comment that many of us
    notation users look at a sequencer and our eyes glaze
    over in dismay. What? Tweak all that stuff? And where
    are the notes? Why can't I just stick an ff in here and a
    hairpin, eh?

    I guess it's what you're used to. For me, the worst factor
    with sequencers is "reading". An orchestral score, I can
    read like a newspaper -- but the display in a sequencer?
    Might as well be Jackson Pollock... lol.

    Keep pluggin', my friend. Sibelius, Finale -- a lot of new
    tricks to learn... but once you get the hang of it, it moves
    along.

    All my best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    I use Overture 4, but perhaps more like a sequencer... the resulting sound is my ultimate goal, so my actual notation looks atrocious... readable perhaps, but horrible. Things are not notated correctly. I use the symbols for their MIDI data, so instruments have wild dynamics... pppp's and ffff's, slurs all over the place, etc.

    So... my hat's off to anyone who actually makes their scores look nice and neat! I stink at that, and find it difficult and annoying.
    Sean Patrick Hannifin
    My MP3s | My Melody Generator | my album
    "serious music" ... as if the rest of us are just kidding

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux View Post
    ROFL! You made my day, Randy.

    But with Michael, I've got to comment that many of us
    notation users look at a sequencer and our eyes glaze
    over in dismay. What? Tweak all that stuff? And where
    are the notes? Why can't I just stick an ff in here and a
    hairpin, eh?

    I guess it's what you're used to. For me, the worst factor
    with sequencers is "reading". An orchestral score, I can
    read like a newspaper -- but the display in a sequencer?
    Might as well be Jackson Pollock... lol.

    Keep pluggin', my friend. Sibelius, Finale -- a lot of new
    tricks to learn... but once you get the hang of it, it moves
    along.

    All my best,



    David
    www.DavidSosnowski.com
    Oh, yes, agreed. There is little more frustrating than trying to work GPO dynamics on a notation program.

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    Re: Renewed Admiration for Notation users

    Don't succomb to the DARK SIDE Randy!!!

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