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    Slow Save times.....

    Hello All,
    I was not sure where to post this question, so I\'ll start here. I\'m working on a library for GigaStudio.
    My current headache is I\'m working with 176 MB of 24 bit Suspended Slate Rock samples (have I lost my mind?... not totally, but I\'m definitely feeling like I have rocks on my head lately).

    Anyway.... I\'m making \"smaller\" instruments out of this very large selection of individual hits. What is quite irritating is each time I build a keymap say of just 6 samples....I get the old you need to save message from the RELAOD bar. The Instrument editor seems to be saving ALL 176 MB of samples again. Is this really necessary? The save time is ridiculously slow and tedious. I find it really hard to get any kind of programming \"flow\" going at all.

    I\'m really a Mac guy......I\'m using a PC soley for the develoment of Giga soundware. Are there any ways I can streamline this process?
    I\'m using a 400mhz PC (perhaps too slow?).
    I realize that Giga is not a RAM based system...I would sure like to see it be an option for programming in the Instrument Editor.. (to use it as a RAM based system). I realize that when working with say a 1 Gig piano, this would become a problem. but it sure would be nice to have that option for \"smaller banks such as these\".

    Also..... quite frequently when I do hit RELOAD, very often the sound is NOT reloaded into Giga for playback. I usually have to restart Gigastudio and reload the bank, from there go to the Instrument Editor and the program is auditionable again. Am I missing anything really basic here?

    thanks for any suggestions!



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    Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado

    <A HREF=\"http://boldersounds.com

    \" TARGET=_blank>http://boldersounds.com

    </A> CD ROMS \"Eclectic\" - \"Granular\" - & \"Bolder Pianos\"

    for Gigasampler, Akai, Kurzweil & Emu Samplers.

  2. #2

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    Hi Dennis,
    The re-loads are needed when living with GST. Yes, they take longer than your creativity can handle. I use to start walking around, make coffee, go out for the mail, do nice things when GSt saves my samples.
    One small work around is to copy and paste -say- 5 or 6 identical copies of your main instrument. You can then make changes to these copies in real time, without need for re-loads.

    How is your new library going? I was very impressed by the Eclectic Collection and the Fortepiano.

    BTW your URL misses the WWW! http://www.boldersounds.com/ works fine!

    Best,
    Michiel Post

  3. #3

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    This tip won\'t help you in this situation, but it is related:

    If you are replacing a single sample in a large gig-file, make sure the new sample has exactly the same size (number of \'samples\'). This way you\'ll avoid a time-consuming complete save, and the replacement will be done in a flash.

    Hans

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    Re: Slow Save times.....

    And another one:
    Make small sperate instruments first.
    When they are done, merge them into a large file. This way the work on the small files is easier in terms of down-time due to saves.
    Michiel Post

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    Re: Slow Save times.....

    I\'ll give you one more: If you are editing changes that don\'t affect the sample pool (like envelope setting adjustments, region tuning, etc.) and are saving primarily for safety backup - in other words, anything that doesn\'t require a reload in order to hear the effect of the changes - save as an articulation file rather than as a .gig file. An articulation file takes only a couple of seconds to save. When you\'ve finished the incremental editing, then save the .gig file. To do this safely always have a second copy of the .gig file you are editing in another location. That way if something goes wrong you can restore things to the point of your last articulation file.

    Tom

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    Re: Slow Save times.....

    Thanks very much for the suggestions folks (Tom, Hans & Michiel)... I REALLY appreciate it!

    Michiel... I had not thought of pasting multiple programs before editing them in various ways, that should save some time I would think.

    >How is your new library going?>

    The \"Best of Bolder\" disc is going very well, I\'m very pleased thus far, but progress is slower than I anticipated (I expected that I\'d have that disc done by now).. it\'s a double disc set and I still have about another 350MB of samples to go. Come to think of it Michiel... I should send you a copy of what is finished at this point so you can give me some GigaSampler expert feedback if you could. Would you?

    Anybody have any clues for me on the second thing I mentioned in my post? Correct me if I\'m wrong (I very well may be). When in the instrument editor...If I have 10 instruments. Lets say I\'m working on instrument #1, I should be able to select a instrument (say #5 ), then hit the RELOAD button and audition it for editing purposes...right? This rarely works. Am I misunderstanding the RELOAD feature?

    I find myself going into GigaStudio and refreshing the database and then loading and selecting the program I want from within GigaStudio.... this can\'t be the right, can it?

    best wishes!


    ------------------
    Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado

    <A HREF=\"http://boldersounds.com

    \" TARGET=_blank>http://www.boldersounds.com/

    </A> CD ROMS \"Eclectic\" - \"Granular\" - & \"Bolder Pianos\"

    for Gigasampler, Akai, Kurzweil & Emu Samplers.

  7. #7

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    If I’m not misunderstanding your question: When in the Instrument Editor it should be unnecessary for you to hit “reload” to audition or edit any instrument in the list on the left (assuming that the .gig file is already loaded). All you need to do is highlight any instrument in the list on the left by clicking on it and it will become the active instrument (and the one you hear) for the chosen MIDI port and channel. All data for the highlighted instrument is also displayed automatically when the instrument is selected.

    By the way, I experience greater stability if I run the Instrument Editor by itself (it is not necessary to have GigaStudio running at the same time since the basic GigaStudio engine is active while using the Editor as a standalone). The only time I launch the Editor from GigaStudio is when I need to check something like the GPC faders in the MIDI Control Surface section.

    Tom

  8. #8

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    Tom,
    I\'ll run the instrument editor without Giga open...that had never occured to me. I believe I have been using the reload button as you\'ve described..... but I\'ll do a bit of checking myself on this.

    thanks!

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    Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado

    <A HREF=\"http://boldersounds.com

    \" TARGET=_blank>http://www.boldersounds.com

    </A> CD ROMS \"Eclectic\" - \"Granular\" - & \"Bolder Pianos\"

    for Gigasampler, Akai, Kurzweil & Emu Samplers.

  9. #9

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    sorry..just testing my web signature here.

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    Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado
    http://www.boldersounds.com/

    CD ROMS \"Eclectic\" - \"Granular\" - & \"Bolder Pianos\"

    for Gigasampler, Akai, Kurzweil & Emu Samplers.

  10. #10

    Re: Slow Save times.....

    The instrument editor seems to run much more smoothly and reliably without GigaStudio being open in the background.
    Not sure why....don\'t know where I got the notion that it should be open (GS that is).

    thanks Tom!

    (now if I could only get that darn web address signature link to work...read the UBB code thingy, don\'t get it. I\'m slow with all this Internet stuff....I\'ve looped one too many piano samples).

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    Dennis Burns - Bolder Sounds - Boulder Colorado
    Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado
    http://www.boldersounds.com/



    CD ROMS \"Eclectic\" - \"Granular\" - & \"Bolder Pianos\"

    for Gigasampler, Akai, Kurzweil & Emu Samplers.

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