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    Harp Glisses

    I just today had an epiphany (and I hope you know how painful that can be) regarding the sequencing of harp glissandos. I think Gary can bear me out on this.

    Now, I've long known how to set the pedals for harp glisses. But for many years, if I wanted to sequence, let's say, a C69 gliss, I would do the obvious and play C, D, E, G, and A, for as many octaves as I wanted. But I realized that is not quite accurate. The pedal setting would be C, D E, Fb, G A, and B#. In other words, the C and the E would both be played twice during the course of one octave.

    Likewise, if I wanted a C#dim7, I've beem playing C#, E, G, and Bb. Sounds obvious. But a real harpist would play C#, Db, E, Fb, G, A#, and Bb. So the sequence would have C#, E, and Bb all played twice in one octave.

    I tried it, and indeed it does, to my ears, sound more authentic. Also it gives me more notes and makes the gliss faster.

    Now you all, being the pros that you are, probably already knew this. But it was a real revelation for me and I wanted to share it.

    Yours jubulantly,

    Gus

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    GPO already has harp midi packets with all the chords possible for playing glisses.

    All you do is strum your hands across the white keys of a midi keyboard and insert the appropriate "midi packet" into the harp midi track, then you will have the correct chord playing.

    Dan

    Here is the link where you can download these midi packets.



    http://www.garritan.com/support/Glis...arpPackets.MID

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    Sorry, but the link gave me a quick-time file which wouldn't play.

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    Quote Originally Posted by DPDAN View Post
    GPO already has harp midi packets with all the chords possible for playing glisses.

    All you do is strum hyour hands across the white keys of a midi keyboard and insert the appropriate "midi packet" into the harp midi track and you then have the correct chord playing.

    Dan

    Here is the link where you can download these midi packets.

    http://www.garritan.com/support/Glis...arpPackets.MID
    Would you point us to the instructions, wherever they are, or give us a step-by-step tutorial on the use of these packets? Would ya?

    Thanks in advance, Mr. Dan.

    Best,

    Larry
    Larry G. Alexander
    www.alexandermusic.com

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    Yes, please. Me too. A harp gliss tutorial.

    Also thanks in advance.
    It's a Viking thing.

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    sorry guys, I should have checked that link before posting it.

    I transferred to my webspace my harp midi packets, organized into types...
    Lydian, penta-hair tonic
    etc...



    Here's the link,
    http://www.dankury.com/midi/Harps.zip

    unzip the folder, and in there you should see these same folders. I am on a Mac, so if you are on a Windows machine the folders will look different... no big deal.


    Here's what I do... since I have no clue what any of the musical terms mean,,, like Lydian, pentatonic etc.

    As an example... I grab what I think is the correct kind of chord based on the Bb chord that I want, and drag that packet into an empty midi track. If it is not exactly the chord I am hearing in my pea brain head, I delete it, and try another one till I get it right. Then I name that midi track Bb pent.

    This way, all my glisses can be in one track named "gliss" assigned to whatever midi channel it needs to be, then I simply assign the "harp packet" midi track to the same channel. I like keeping them separate. No reason really except it is convenient if you have multiple glisses in the song with different chords. You will then have one gliss midi track where you have recorded all your white keys strumming, and other midi tracks with the appropriate midi packet.

    If you choose to have just one gliss track with the harp packets in other midi tracks, it will be imperative that you automate the mute for the "harp packet" midi tracks so that only the correct one is unmuted just before the next gliss. Also the packet info needs to be slightly before the gliss begins. Sorry I am being kind of redundant here.

    In this MP3 example I just made, first I loaded a GPO glissando harp 1,... not chromatic harp 1. Then I recorded into a midi track, strumming just the white keys on the midi keyboard. Then I recorded an audio track of that. The second time you hear it, the same gliss is played back, but this time, the notes will be re-assigned so that it plays back a Bb pentatonic harp gliss. This is possible only because I dragged the Bb pentatonic harp packet into the midi track. Again it could have been in a separate midi track assigned to the same midi channel...
    Redundant me again

    listen
    AINT DAT PERDY!


    Oh yea Gus... you will notice that attention to detail was made when Gary Garritan made these packets. He made them so they would be authentic to how a real harp would sometimes play duplicate notes during a gliss, depending on the desired chord/pedal position. As you mentioned this does happen on real harps.
    Dan

    Terry Dwyer made a nice harp tutorial for us Garritan customers.
    It can be found here.

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    Dan, ( or Gary if you see this )

    I've got the original Giga Harp.
    There seem to be a few more in this package that aren't in the original Giga Harp package, so I'm wondering if these will work with Giga Harp also?

    Thanks,
    Steve

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    Re: Harp Glisses

    Heck I'll do a short Sonar specific version(well it has been inputed 2 years ago or so, hence the older GPO player. Still works with any version though).


    Download this for sonar users http://www.garritan.com/support/GPO-...arpPackets.zip

    Extract it somewhere where you can locate it easy. I usually put it in the sonar directory "shared midi plugins" because it is easy to remember.

    First load a GPO "Gliss" harp(not chromatic) into a player. Now assign one track to the harp gliss patch itself and another for harp packets. Assign both tracks the same "GPO" instance and channel(I usually name these accordingly so I do not get confused) As DPDAN said you can do this with multiple tracks as well.

    Here is a picture of the setup(note is final setup!)

    http://home.cfl.rr.com/delly/harp%20...rp%20setup.JPG

    Now import the mid file into the gliss harp mid track only

    http://home.cfl.rr.com/delly/harp%20...t%20import.JPG

    Assign the type of Gliss from the given midi packets to the harp gliss midi track(not the harp gliss insrument track!).

    http://home.cfl.rr.com/delly/harp%20...pe%20gliss.JPG

    Now arm the track and record!

    http://home.cfl.rr.com/delly/harp%20...le%20input.avi

    A better sounding version is here. It is the exact same thing as the pictures and avi, but higher quality sound.(I do not have the webspace for good sound in the visual version!). Hope this helps. ER btw it is the first example #275 on the page(much clearer then the AVI).

    http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ad.php?t=50753
    Robert Davis

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