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    Arrow My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Hi everyone -

    Here is my first contribution to the Listening Room and I'd really appreciate some feedback. I am just getting to know my way around the GPO library - and the clever ways the new Sib 5.2 drives the samples. The next stage is to improve the production of this piece by taking it to Cubase and remixing, adding proper reverb, etc. Any production suggestions here, especially for better strings (about which I previously posted in the Tips & Tutes forum), would be most welcome. Clicking on the following link should open a Quicktime playback window and shortly start to play. Thanks for listening and I look forward to your comments.

    http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/mp3/1/2/8/128237.mp3

    JQ
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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Hi JQ and welcome to the Forum.

    I think you are off to a great start here and when you
    get the piece into Cubase and remix plus adding reverb,
    you might think of some other things: maybe layering
    the strings a little so that the layered instruments start
    at different times and also vary the volume of each. This
    technique, which I try to work very hard on, seems to make
    the strings come alive.

    Also, double check your instrument placement plus really
    check CC1 (GPO volume) to see if your instruments are
    "executing" proplerly; that is, are the strings sounding like
    they are being bowed properly, the brass sounding like they
    are really being played by a live player with the proper amounts
    of air on attacks and endings, etc. These are things you can
    check in Cubase. I'm sure that Sibelius does a real good job
    of attempting realization, but now that you have a DAW, you
    can make many such refinements.

    I have learned from some prominent Forum members that you
    have to listen to EACH instrument play his line and try to make
    it sound like an individual solo as far as beginning, middle, and
    ending of notes to approximate a live player. It's hard, but
    very rewarding when you can accomplish this. Then, after
    awhile, it becomes second nature and it will come naturally.

    It takes a long time to get a composition to sound as "live" as
    possible, but that word is the key: it is POSSIBLE.

    Would like to hear this first piece again after you work with it
    in Cubase.

    Cheers, JQ

    Jack
    Jack Cannon--MacBook Pro (2015, 13") GPO4/5, JABB3, Auth. STEINWAY, YAMAHA CFX, Gofriller CELLO, Stradivari VIOLIN, COMB2, WORLD, HARPS, PIPE ORGANS, FINALE 2014.5, Mac Pro 2.66 GHz CPU, 8 GB RAM, DP 9.5, MOTU Traveler, MOTU Micro Express, MacBook Pro (2012, 13") 2.2 Ghz CPU, 8 GB RAM.

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Hi, JQ!

    Technical advices? Oh, as you can see there's a lot of persons, here, able to give you great ones!
    I'll focus on the music, then! ^_^

    I'm impressed by the complex musicality and by the structure of your themes!
    The first part, mostly expressed by woodwinds, makes me think to a mute movie soundtrack, in a fast, quite dramatic scene... it then becomes a theme with a folk atmosphere, soon leading to an epic, serious, more classic mood.
    The phrased interaction between the violins and the woodwinds is very expressive... don't know why, but it seems to hear, here and there, some folk influences... and, somehow, it comes natural to me to imagine some opera singers telling us a story of love and passions and perils!
    Your music is very communicative and is smoothly able to pass from a mood to another one, from dramatic to funny, from moving to scared!
    The final is big, bright, intense... a great ending!

    Keep up the magic... and congratulations, for such a good first post!
    Daniele
    "The gold of Captain Rich" - a danbergam's short-movie -> http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ad.php?t=62264

    I said goodbye -> http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55669

    "Musico ergo sum."
    "GPO : composer = unicorn : R.P.G. player
    Well, the unicorn is to be imagined... but GPO's real!"

    D.B.

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Hi Jack and Dan -

    And thank you for taking the time to listen - especially as this piece is around 7 mins long - and for your enthusiasm, kind words of encouragement and suggestions. Jack, I think you describe very well all the steps involved in improving this piece in a DAW. By reading posts to this forum for some time, I have benefited from the skill of others on the forum and learned a lot. I guess now is the time to roll up my sleeves and apply the lessons! Dan, thank you for your kind words on the music. I try to write in a lyrical style, and to have touched the passionate heart of an Italian is indeed an accolade! Thank you for taking the time to describe your feelings. Kind regards.

    JQ
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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Hi JQ,

    Firstly, welcome to the forum!

    I think there are some great harmonies being used here, resulting in some really good textures. I particularly like your use of the deep brass in places.

    My suggestion to you is to focus on a subset of the piece initially, bring it into Cubase and get some reverb happening, and then go to town on the CC1 controller - variance of the CC1 controller is most important for realism with GPO. When you see what these two things will do to the piece you will be astonished.

    Add that to the list of other suggestions and the output will be a lot more realistic.

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Welcome to the Listening Room ! I enjoyed your first post here. The music is light and full of melodic surprises. As for the rendering, I think the others here have given you some excellent advice. Learning to render realistically is an ongoing process of discovery, well worth the effort. Thank you.
    Kind Regards

    Louis Dekker
    My Music Site

    Pour être grand, il faut avoir été petit.

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Welcome JQ!

    Your piece is filled with potential!
    It is long but varied so it stays interesting till the end.
    You seem to be comfortable in several styles and move comfortably from one to the other.
    All you need now is to work with it in Cubase to bring out all the beauty that you hear in your head.
    I would suggest starting with a small part so that you get the feel of it.
    You will be astounded what cc1=modulation can do, fading in and out, phrasing and breathing.
    Each instrument has to sound good on its own before you do the mixing.
    There's a lot to learn but I'm sure you can do it!

    Shall look forward to hearing your final realization of this piece!

    Yudit

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhap2 View Post
    .....maybe layering
    the strings a little so that the layered instruments start
    at different times and also vary the volume of each. This
    technique, which I try to work very hard on, seems to make
    the strings come alive.

    I see this terminology more: "layering". What exactly do you mean by this? The technique and the effect.....? Maybe it is just another term for just a plain thing I already do, but to be sure..... please explain.

    Raymond

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    Raymond:

    Simply put, say you have a one line melody for a Violin 1 String Section.

    To "layer" this track or melody line, copy the whole track to a SECOND
    track with a second Violin 1 string instrument, then nudge the second track so that it is not in synce with the FIRST. Vary the volume with CC1 also; that is, record NEW CC1 information on the second track.

    Another method is to "play in" the first melody line or track on you MIDI
    keyboard using CC1 for variations in volume; then, play the same melody
    line on another track with a different instrument of the same category (another stringed instrument, another brass instrument, another WW, etc.).
    Use CC1 for this second track also.

    Bottom Line: No two people, regardless of instrument section in an orchestra
    start at the same time or at the same, exact volume. That's why "layering" makes the GPO library sound so great.

    You will be amazed how just TWO tracks of the same melody line will sound
    when played twice with two different instruments, not in sync with each other and different CC1 variations.

    Try it.

    Jack
    Jack Cannon--MacBook Pro (2015, 13") GPO4/5, JABB3, Auth. STEINWAY, YAMAHA CFX, Gofriller CELLO, Stradivari VIOLIN, COMB2, WORLD, HARPS, PIPE ORGANS, FINALE 2014.5, Mac Pro 2.66 GHz CPU, 8 GB RAM, DP 9.5, MOTU Traveler, MOTU Micro Express, MacBook Pro (2012, 13") 2.2 Ghz CPU, 8 GB RAM.

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    Re: My first post - Mood and Melody No.1

    A warm welcome, JQ!

    There's some excellent work in this; easily perceived, even
    if it's still "in the rough". A little production work on this
    piece, and it's going to really shine.

    JQ, at this stage, what I usually do is just throw a little
    reverb over the raw recording, experiment with it, get
    a feel for what it needs and wants. For me, it's
    important to do that first, to get a technical grasp of
    where it needs to go. And then -- on to a more serious
    job on the rebalancing, leveling, and sound treatment.

    I'm looking forward to hearing the finished version of this!

    My best,



    David
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