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    How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    An impracticable jungle ?


    The future for your business ?


    A dangerous concurrency ?



    Let us know if you would like to invest that world, if it's possible or not, and why...


    Except Aria from Garritan, I don’t see many talks around Linux in the forum.


    Regards,
    Gabriel Plalame.

    (The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.)

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    You're right. There ins`t many developers taking care about Linux at this time, and that's a pity. Linux itself is open source, and comes with lots of open source software, so I think developers are afraid of releasing products for Linux since they think most people who uses Linux won't pay for the software since it's not free (as in free of speech).

    But I don't think so. I love open source, not for being free of cost, but for being free for others to improve it and make products using what others have developed. It's the knowledge sharing what I like about it.

    I would love to use ONLY Linux and forget about Windows. I think if software developers and hardware manufactures give support to Linux, it could become a top notch OS in a couple of years. Mac OSX, the best OS for home and professional user IMHO, is based on FreeBSD (an open source UNIX), but it has a big company supporting its software and hardware.

    I hope the step Gary is taking with ARIA will make others think about it. I have paid for my software and sample libraries (Cubase, WIVI, Garritan, Kirk Hunter, VSL...) and would have paid for them exactly in the same way if they were available for Linux.

    Have a look at this :http://koblo.com/studio
    It's still in alpha status, but I think it promises a lot.

    And this: http://www.energy-xt.com/xt2.php

    Now, let's wait and hope some of those projects get mature and we can switch to Linux. Maybe then, Steinberg and Cakewalk will take a look at it.
    -Dani-

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    Hi, Dani, thanks for your links, I’ll have a look.

    I hope the step Gary is taking with ARIA will make others think about it. I have paid for my software and sample libraries (Cubase, WIVI, Garritan, Kirk Hunter, VSL...) and would have paid for them exactly in the same way if they were available for Linux.
    + 1

    Same for me.


    I’m myself totally new to that world.

    (Note : I came to it very simply. How to build a ‘first price’ PC for students ?)

    My first impression : Pfff... What a mess.

    How many versions ? (Oh, sorry. ‘Distributions’. I don’t speak Linux very well yet. Much less than English, you can imagine...)

    Hundreds ?

    Well, I can understand developers. ‘Cool, but experimental. Needs more standardizations.’

    My multiboot system (HyperOS) stopped to support Linux since 2005. ‘Too many versions.’, they said.


    My first concern now, is : what version (...distrib... sorry) for audio, sampling oriented ?

    Wine or not Wine ? (That is the question...) (Even for a French.)

    Ect...


    It’s quite a fascinating world, but no one will convince me that it’s a simple solution. It needs yet a lot of research, investigations, and knowledge.


    But I think it is, or will be very soon a market for developers.

    We can see more and more low cost PCs with Linux pre-installed.

    Something new is happening.
    Gabriel Plalame.

    (The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.)

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    What can Linux can do for developing sampler technology that Windows or OS X can't? What would be the purpose of going to Linux?

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    Hi Rick.

    Well, ‘Low cost’ argument apart, in fact it’s a good question.

    About samples I can’t tell now (I’ll try the LinuxSampler soon), but about the OS, I would say instinctively : security.

    I personally consider that XP is not safe, for example.

    The activation process with XP is just a nightmare if you change your hardware regularly : try to restore an old image. Good Luck.

    Some images I did, are just unusable, cause XP considers that, well, that's enough. Too many modifications since. You have to reinstall everything.

    That’s why XP is a family toy. Not a professional tool.

    Plus, if I understand well, Linux architecture locates software’s preferences outside the OS, so they are safe.

    My dream.

    Your OS crashes ? Re-install the OS, and all software parameters are back.

    That is professional.

    Isn’t it absurd, that an open source software becomes safer than a ‘non-exactly-low-cost’ product ?
    Gabriel Plalame.

    (The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.)

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    I just realize that LinuxSampler is... Windows and Mac compatible. ( http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html )

    I’m confused.
    Gabriel Plalame.

    (The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.)

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    I have been using Windows XP since the year it was first released. It has been installed on every machine I've owned since it came out (four in total) and I've used and maintained dozens of computers with XP Home or Pro in that period of time. I have never had any sort of problem with imaging, backup or security. Frankly, I've hardly had any kind of problems at all. I'm sure most people here would disagree that it's a "toy" considering the overwhelming amount of professionals using it every day. The only problem I have with XP, which is quite present on OSX and probably Vista, is that it is not good at reporting hardware failures. If your RAM is bad, or the system is getting flaky power from the power supply, you can spend a fair amount of time looking around before you find the exact problem.

    The influx of Linux installs on new PCs (mainly laptops) is due to its relatively low cost and low resource demands in general. This is great for the average computer user who needs to edit documents and spreadsheets, browse the web, perhaps touch up some photos, check email, etc. However, for audio professionals, no Linux OS that I have seen comes anywhere close to Windows XP or OSX. It simply lacks the requisite software and hardware support. There are developers who are still working on servicing existing Windows operating systems, such as Vista32 or XP/Vista64, so there is very little reason to think that the viability of any Linux OS as a pro-grade audio platform will change anytime soon.
    Zircon Studios - Original music for media, electronica, sound design, and synthesis.

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crystal View Post


    Except Aria from Garritan, I don’t see many talks around Linux in the forum.
    The reason for the lack of posts in the Linux-section is probably caused by the fact that most Linuxers don't hang much around here (except for a few dual-booters like myself). After all this place is almost entirely focusing on Mac and Windows related music software.
    Halvor


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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RickD View Post
    What can Linux can do for developing sampler technology that Windows or OS X can't? What would be the purpose of going to Linux?
    Linux is by design a high end OS. It's solid, manages resources efficently, and has 64Bit support since the beginnig. Think about it as a free MacOSX, only it hasn't as much hardware and software manufacturers' support as does Mac, and some distros aren't as eye candy (but you can make them VERY nice).

    Linux could offer us audio guys a better DAW system if it had the mentioned support.

    I'm not saying Windows XP is a (Vista is IMHO), but I would be more comfortable using Linux, because of technical and ideological matters.

    Just my two cents.
    -Dani-

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    Re: How you, developers, do you see the Linux world ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Aversa View Post
    There are developers who are still working on servicing existing Windows operating systems, such as Vista32 or XP/Vista64, so there is very little reason to think that the viability of any Linux OS as a pro-grade audio platform will change anytime soon.
    Maybe it's not eminent, but it will come. There are quite a lot of interesting projects working towards bringing us a top notch Linux DAW. And when the Open Source community takes the purpose to do something... they do!
    Some links of interest:

    http://www.ffado.org/
    http://ardour.org/
    http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
    http://www.linux-vst.com/
    http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/toots/vst-plugins/
    http://ubuntustudio.org/
    http://www.indamixx.com/
    http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

    All this is Open Source. But any software would be wellcome to Linux. I would love to have Cubase Studio 4 with all my VST's in linux. The audio software is the ONLY thing that makes me have a dual boot with Windows. All my other needs are covered with Ubuntu Linux (OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Blender, Gimp, Inkscape, Eclipse, MySQL...)

    Hope this scenario changes soon! I think there are a lot of users in my situation (willing to make the definitive switch to Linux) and if this happens, the users would be more equally splitted between Windows, Mac and Linux.

    I don't want to convince anyone that Linux is better, just think Linux users should be taken care of. It would be hard to demonstrate that Windows is better than MacOSX, but it has a bigger user base.
    -Dani-

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