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    Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Is anyone as excited as I am?

    I know that a proton does not have enough mass, regardless of its velocity, to create a Black Hole. You see I am a big fan of parstickal fizziks and have been following the Collider for years.

    For those that do not know, tomorrow (today now) the Hadron Particle Accelerator will run protons in one direction to test the system and then run them in the other direction later, if all goes well. Very soon they will collide the protons in hopes of creating the particles that were around at the instant of the Big Bang.

    Questions about dark matter and dark energy could easily be answered and proof that the God Particle exists could also take place.

    We live in exciting times.

    Ron
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Yes, I am excited. This is the 'stuff of science' - There is even talk that it could be used to create 'time warps'. or mini 'black holes' (not to be confused with the space between my ears!).

    I am excited to see what comes of this proton accelerator project in Cern!
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    This is an exciting development. I'm watching this for news of a Higgs Boson particle (the so called God particle because of the impact it would have on physics). Although the results may not be released immediately, the eventual discovery of the Higgs Boson particle give the needed support to superstring theory, which I have been watching for a couple years at this point.

    It is indeed true that a proton does not have enough mass to create a black hole. Even a small cluster of protons don't have enough mass to create a black hole. Remember, if the LHC ran for 1 million years, it would use the equivilent of 1 balloon of hydrogen gas (protons). Thus, I doubt we would have to worry because if a balloon doesn't decay into a blackhole, then the relatively few protons they use in the LHC would.

    I don't know about the possibility for a time warp. Altering the 4th dimension is impossible from the perspective of our relativity ruled universe. From the quantum perspective, though, time is essentially useless as the particles behave in a multi-dimensional act where they behave sporadically. Subatomic particles may bounce off of other subatomic particles that aren't even there in our universe!

    I also can't wait for the media's reaction. Everyone thinks it's going to be this huge collision when it will really be an insignificant event in the fabric of spacetime. Heck, more powerful collisions happen in everyday life. The LHC is just meant to measure controlled collisions and doesn't have the amount of power that the universe provides.

    EDIT: For reference on the mass needed to create a black hole: a black hole can be created in the mass is over 3 to 4 solar masses. A solar mass is 1.98892*10^30 kg. A proton, however, has a mass of 1.673*10^-27 kg. Even a mole of protons is too small as they would only have a mass just slightly over 1 gram. Protons, by themselves, are not massive enough to form black holes.
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Quote Originally Posted by C J Pro View Post
    I don't know about the possibility for a time warp. Altering the 4th dimension is impossible from the perspective of our relativity ruled universe.
    Yet...a watched pot never boils and summer is over too quickly.
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Yet...a watched pot never boils and summer is over too quickly.
    Stop watching it, then! The act of observation changes the outcome!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

    Or, just don't even look at the pot after you start it. Assume that the pot is boiling and not boiling, but don't ever check it!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

    Ah, quantum mechanics is fun, is it not?
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Sounds like the collider will be particlerly useful!

    Here's the Large Hadron Rap if you haven't seen it yet:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

    Anyway, I hope whatever they find or don't find just confuses us more ... ... physics is boring if people start understanding what's going on.

    And, sadly, I'm not sure the collider will answer any questions whatsoever concerning Kansas Theory.
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    And, sadly, I'm not sure the collider will answer any questions whatsoever concerning Kansas Theory.
    I thought that CJ answered the Kansas Theory so eleqouently!

    A solar mass is 1.98892*10^30 kg. A proton, however, has a mass of 1.673*10^-27 kg. Even a mole of protons is too small as they would only have a mass just slightly over 1 gram. Protons, by themselves, are not massive enough to form black holes.
    As for the LHC, it will still take them a month before the 2 opposite beams will be running at 99.9999999999999% the speed of light.

    How do they know the machine will be running at that speed anyway. What if it is only at 99.888888888% the speed of light? I think the Kansas Theory is much more plausible, especially since I don't look at Kansas anyways (maybe its boiling there ).
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Quote Originally Posted by C J Pro View Post
    Stop watching it, then! The act of observation changes the outcome!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

    Or, just don't even look at the pot after you start it. Assume that the pot is boiling and not boiling, but don't ever check it!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

    Ah, quantum mechanics is fun, is it not?
    All I have to do to get my pot to boil, my dinner to burn, and to forget appointments is to sit and compose at the computer. How easy is that?

    But seriously, reberclark, through humor, brings up a separate related topic: that of our personal consciousness versus empiricism. Time is already warped for us, so to speak. And how does consciousness relate to the findings of science -- the act of observing, at the quantum level, changes reality.

    And since this personal consciousness will cease eventually, does any of that matter? And how does the collective consciousness of all beings relate to these mysteries we see as external?

    Just a few musings upon waking....
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Quote Originally Posted by rolifer View Post
    For those that do not know, tomorrow (today now) the Hadron Particle Accelerator will run protons in one direction to test the system and then run them in the other direction later, if all goes well. Very soon they will collide the protons in hopes of creating the particles that were around at the instant of the Big Bang.

    Questions about dark matter and dark energy could easily be answered and proof that the God Particle exists could also take place.

    Ron
    But will it do my laundry?

    I think Shroedinger (sp?) had it right -- I put in my laundry, and I don't really know if it is clean or dirty til I open it again later.....
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    Re: Black Holes or the God Particle The Hadron Collider

    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHannifin View Post
    Sounds like the collider will be particlerly useful!

    Here's the Large Hadron Rap if you haven't seen it yet:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

    Anyway, I hope whatever they find or don't find just confuses us more ... ... physics is boring if people start understanding what's going on.

    And, sadly, I'm not sure the collider will answer any questions whatsoever concerning Kansas Theory.
    wow! great video! who ever said science geeks don't rock?
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