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    David Carter (DaveTubaKing)

    Intel 8 Core i7 975 Extreme Edition 3.33GHz, Corsair 12GB (6x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz , Sibelius 6.1, Symphonic cube, MIR, Vienna Choir

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    Re: Not just another piano

    Quote Originally Posted by David_Carter View Post
    Not sure what kind of cpu and harddisk you need to tame this multi-velocity monster. I´m afraid you´ll get many pops and crackles when you try to play this instrument with a low latency and current computers.
    Raindog

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    Re: Not just another piano

    with roland having gone physical modeling, I really wonder how much longer sampling technology will last.. seems yamaha isn't so into physical modeling, or maybe just holding off... I mean, the sampling thing is getting a little ridiculous don't you think? I mean, not the approach itself, but going 100 layers, etc...

    I guess it's not like physmod will take over the world, sampled pianos are great for when you already know what sound you want, and it's already been sampled just the way you like it.

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    Re: Not just another piano

    My opinions are obviously "going against the grain" with people that have invested money, time, and devotion to samples.

    This isn't meant in a mean spirited way, it's just that I've concluded after listening to dozens of sample songs that the sample manufacturers have posted on their websites, that they don't seem (to me at least) to stand up too well. This in turn is based on the premise and assumption that they have only posted samples that make their products sound good. When I hear one note that consistently goes "boonk" my faith evaporates.

    My conclusions are also based on the huge improvements in a couple of years that the physmod systems have already demonstrated. This isn't to say that they sound perfect or even great. But since the concept is relatively new, it likely will improve the most with time.

    The sample manufacturers are going to battle hard and they already have; one of the most subtle and effective demos is of the BMDO, where they play their rendition (part of one of Chopin's Scherzos) first, then another sample rendition immediately after - that is obviously inferior. Strangely this is the only site I've found where the manufacturer posts competition samples too.

    My gut feeling is that Roland has scored a winner, and the other makers of DP's will be forced to play catch-up if they haven't already done the research.

    If this approach succeeds, then Roland will do well in sales, and it will be interesting to see what those of us with older keyboards and samples will do.

    Samples will not suddenly die out - there is far too much invested in the system, and for many it is quite adequate. I just don't think they are the way of the future.

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    Re: Not just another piano

    I have not heard the Roland, but from the other physical modeling pianos I've heard, they have many more notes that "...go boonk."

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    Re: Not just another piano

    Quote Originally Posted by elcabong View Post
    I have not heard the Roland, but from the other physical modeling pianos I've heard, they have many more notes that "...go boonk."
    What are the other physical modeling pianos? Pianoteq is one. What are the others?

    Thanks,

    Lawrence
    Melodialworks Music
    Music for Relaxation and Inspiration
    www.lawrencelougheed.com


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    Re: Not just another piano

    Quote Originally Posted by Lougheed View Post
    What are the other physical modeling pianos? Pianoteq is one. What are the others?

    Thanks,

    Lawrence
    Pianissimo.

    http://www.acoustica.com/pianissimo/

    I downloaded it for a trial; it lasted on my HDD for about the sustain length time of a staccato C9.

    At the price of $68.95 US one can't argue that the price isn't right, but after using Pianoteq, it elicited a few smiles and chuckles from me.

    I suspect that in a few years, they will improve it to where it's usable.

    Glenn

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    Re: Not just another piano

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcVxB...eature=related

    That's one of the only audible videos I've found of the new VSL piano so far (most of them have lots of rumble).

    Regarding the comparisons on the site for BDMO, I've found them to be some of the most helpful comparisons I've encountered and I like the new trend of posting the results of many competitors. The one thing they do differently, that I also like, is to include several recordings of real performances (as opposed to sampled pianos) to compare against as well.

    It was interesting to hear people's preferences: not everyone I talked to preferred the BDMO's sound in those demos, though many did of course, and I think that the demos are very fair and representative (as I own or have used pianos from 3 or 4 of the libraries represented).

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    Re: Not just another piano

    Is the new VSL piano available as a sample, or only with the hardware? I'm trying to figure out how a regular computer could manage 100 velocity levels.

    Lawrence
    Melodialworks Music
    Music for Relaxation and Inspiration
    www.lawrencelougheed.com


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    Re: Not just another piano

    Glenn NK, I seriously doubt that pianissimo's "physical model" is all that serious.. I should ask the developer directly, but I'm pretty sure it comes from a totally different school of thought than pianoteq or v-piano. Afterall, there isn't a standard for what to call "physical model" or not. Pianissimo is good for what it is, but comparing it to pianoteq is like pitting a lizard against a tank.

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