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    Aria player question (w/notation program)

    With Finale and KP2, I was able to assign different instruments to the same staff/channel. In effect, this allowed me to have a single line of staff, on a single MIDI channel, but played by multiple solo strings - a "true" violin section, if you will.

    However, with the Aria player, I cannot seem to figure out how to do this same thing.

    Is there some feature of the Aria player that allows me to change the midi channel assignment of instruments?

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Hi Michel, I don't think it can be done in the Aria player, but it might be possible in Finale. I looked in the help file in Finale 2009 and found this, "assigning a staff to more than one midi channel". It was the first item under "MIDI" in the index. It may not be the ultimate answer for you, but might help some. Here is the text:

    To assign a staff to more than one MIDI channel

    Finale normally allows you to route each staff to a single MIDI channel. For some effects, however, you may want the staff’s contents transmitted on more than one channel—for example, if you want to mix the sounds from two different patches. To create this arrangement, you have to create an expression (which can be invisible, if you like) defined for playback. This marking’s playback definition involves the creation of a MIDI data dump.

    Click the Expression Tool ; click on, above, or below the note at which the music should begin playing over additional MIDI channels. The Expression Selection dialog box appears.
    Click Create. The Expression Designer dialog box appears.
    Enter the text (if any) for your data dump expression. To change the font, highlight the text, then from the Text Menu, choose Font. (You can leave the text box blank, if you wish.)
    Click the Playback tab. The playback options appear.
    From the Type drop-down list menu, choose Dump. The Playback Data Dump dialog box appears.
    In the Number of Units text box, enter 2 or 3 (depending on whether you want the staff’s playback routed to a total of 2 or 3 additional MIDI channels). A staff can play over up to three MIDI channels, including the primary MIDI channel you’ve established for the staff.
    In the first Data box, enter $FF. This code, including the dollar sign, is a special notation that tells your MIDI Instrument to prepare to receive additional MIDI channel information.
    In the next Data text boxes, enter one or two numbers, corresponding to the MIDI channels you want the staff’s playback routed to minus one. In other words, if you want the staff to play over channels 5 and 6 (in addition to its primary MIDI channel), enter 4 in the second Data box and 5 in the third. (Also be sure to delete the default “$00” value from each text box before entering your MIDI channel numbers.) When Finale plays your score and reaches the expression you’re creating, it will reroute the playback to the MIDI channels you’ve just specified.
    Click OK or Select or Assign in each dialog box until you return to the document. You return to the document.

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    I'm a little confused.

    it seems that while the Aria player seems to an improvement in some respects, it is more limited than the Kontakt Player in others?

    I would certainly like to know whether this is an issue that will be improved upon when the other Garritan libraries get ported to the Aria Player.

    As it stands, this inability to "build an ensemble" seems like a regressive change.

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Michel, I've read everything I can find about the Aria player in Finale and can't find a way to change the MIDI channels. Each slot corresponds with a pre-set MIDI channel, and when you add an additional instance of the Aria player, the first slot in the new instance becomes MIDI channel 17.
    This is probably something that Gary and his folks will want to consider changing. A thought, this may not be the Aria GUI we will see when GPO4 comes out.
    But I agree with you, it is a needed feature. John

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    I'm fine with each new instance of the player corresponding to a new set of 16 channels (ie: 1-16, 17-32, etc..).

    However, I would like some assurance that if i so choose, I can use each instance of the player to use ALL the same channel, should that be my need.

    Or else, I don't see how we can ensemble build.

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    I wonder if this will be a feature of the "full" version vs. the version with Finale. It would be nice if Dave Plogue would chime in on this.

    I don't know why I hadn't thought of doing what you're talking about Michel.

    Steve Winkler

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Yes, some "official" word would be nice.
    I was very much looking forward to the release of GPO-Aria, but now find myself more worried than excited, mostly by the prospect of now being unable to do what I took for granted with the Kontakt Player.

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Here's a little more info on GPO ARIA. You will be able to change the MIDI channel for each instrument allowing stacking on the same channel. Also, there will be multiple outputs from each instance. These were 2 of the biggests recommendations of current GPO users at the NAMM show. The addition of these couple items are slowing down the update but it will be worth the wait.

    The interface has been redesigned since NAMM to add the extra features.

    Jim

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Thanks Haydn for the news! Both of these changes should make the Aria interface very useful. (and let Michel breath a big sigh of relief!)
    John

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    Re: Aria player question (w/notation program)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haydn View Post
    Here's a little more info on GPO ARIA. You will be able to change the MIDI channel for each instrument allowing stacking on the same channel. Also, there will be multiple outputs from each instance. These were 2 of the biggests recommendations of current GPO users at the NAMM show. The addition of these couple items are slowing down the update but it will be worth the wait.

    The interface has been redesigned since NAMM to add the extra features.

    Jim
    Thanks Haydn. That's good news (not the delay of course ) to notation users and DAW users.

    Steve Winkler

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