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    Aria "Slots"

    I kind of buried this question inside another post. I thought I'd post it alone:

    In Kontakt Player there were more than 16 slots for instruments. There were only 16 channels but there were tabs for many more instruments so that layering different samples was easy.

    Is there such a feature in ARIA, or is it planned? I layer several sounds per MIDI channel at once sometimes. Thanks.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Is there such a feature in ARIA, or is it planned? I layer several sounds per MIDI channel at once sometimes. Thanks.
    Sure, of course in plugin version you will however be stuck with 16 MIDI channels.
    Its planned.
    David Viens, Plogue Art et Technologie Inc.
    Montreal. http://www.plogue.com

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Merci, David!
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Hey Chip, wow - You used the "17-32" "33-48" and "49-64" tabs in Kontakt for extra instruments?---They only work if you more than a 2 channel interface, right? Or have I been in the dark all this time--?!

    Randy

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Quote Originally Posted by rbowser- View Post
    Hey Chip, wow - You used the "17-32" "33-48" and "49-64" tabs in Kontakt for extra instruments?---They only work if you more than a 2 channel interface, right? Or have I been in the dark all this time--?!

    Randy
    Hi Randy,

    I used them with only a one channel interface.

    I tend to work in MIDI until almost the end of the project, THEN convert to audio tracks for mixing. This may be a difference in the way some people work so what I am describing may not be desirable or necessary for some workflows.

    I would layer several sounds per channel - for example "Trumpet 1 open" from JABB with "Trumpet Overlay" from GPO and assign both to channel 1. That would take up two "slots" but only use one MIDI channel.

    I could route them to one or two "outs" as I wished (both through 1-2 or one thru 1-2 and the other thru 3-4). However, if using two outs I would have to remember that when I converted my MIDI tracks to audio!

    I am doing the same in ARIA but run out of slots so I have to run more ARIA instances than I would if I was using Kontakt Player.

    I hope that makes sense.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Hey Chip,

    Please post an example on how you do that. That would be an interesting read.

    Best,
    Bill
    We dream to write and we write to dream.

    Challenge #10 Winner

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Hi Bill,

    I will get some screen shots later in the day and describe it in full. In the meantime I added some info to my post, above.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Here is a screenshot of an ARIA Player instance with layered MIDI instruments:



    In each case the two slots are controlled by ONE MIDI track (Trumpet 1 open and Trumpet overlay controlled by MIDI channel 1, the next two controlled by channel 2, etc), but the first example (Trumpet 1 open and Trumpet overlay) outputs to ONE synth track and the second example (solo violin mixed with lush violins) outputs to TWO synths tracks. One can mix and match these as one wishes.

    The upshot, for me anyway, is that as I layer instruments in this way I soon run out of "slots" in the ARIA player but Kontakt provided extra slots for layering.

    David suggested that ARIA might contain more slots for this in the future. I woud appreciate that - then my ARIA instances would not be so many and memory might be saved a bit.

    As it stands now It's no big deal, just an idea. I can work with ARIA just fine - it's a wonderful thing.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    Hmmm, I can see that I have missed a lot in looking at the Aria Engine. Must get back to my computer, must hurry, got to get to my computer and my aria engine, post haste, gotta go, byeeeeeee.....
    We dream to write and we write to dream.

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    Re: Aria "Slots"

    I feel I need to clarify something. I stated above that I use MIDI almost until the "end of the process." Well, not really. I have always tended to think of the "end of the process" as when all of the notes are in place on the page because my main objective is writing for live musicians, not producing a recording (I enter notes into Finale concurrently as well as use a pencil while running SONAR. We can explore THAT subject later!)

    SO...I do use MIDI to the end of the composition (get the piece in shape like you want it) part of the process, but then when I want to produce a recording I bounce all tracks to audio (ala instructions by Randy Bowser and DPDan) and do signal processing, volume and pan controlling there - never while in MIDI.

    I do add a bit of reverb while using MIDI just to help me "place" the instruments a bit, and I use the default panning to spread things out. But when the tracks are bounced I bounce them 100% dry (this happens anyway), centered and as close to 0db as possible. I then balance and apply reverb sends, panning, EQ etc to those audio tracks.

    I hope that helps.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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