Symphobia 2 is comming

[composernyc]

Hey Dave, that wasn't pointed at you or any 1 individual. I love the intelligent discussion about this stuff on NS, but I do cringe a little bit every time a new sample library is announced in the forums, because it will inevitably be followed by 10 posts saying "It's too expensive." Seriously, you can pretty much set your watch by it. And I've noticed over the years that there are a handful of users who just whiiiiiiiiiiine about every new product announcement! And I just want to tell them, "Consider the alternative: without these developers, you'd be faced with the prospect of paying 5 figures to hire an orchestra for a day, or you could just not write any music at all."

I love the idea of the loyalty discount, a la "if you already own multiple SAM libraries then we take 10% off" or something like that. But I understand why they wouldn't... they're a small operation and to produce this stuff must cost a fortune. And I've also wondered what Native Instruments must charge them for the ability to license the NI player + to have an icon in your NI library pane, and to then do all updates via the NI Service Center. Figure in the costs of packaging & DVD reproduction, and suddenly $1100 for this package doesn't seem to be showing a whole lot of profit for them! Or at least, not as much as some of us might be assuming they're making.

Does anyone out there know what NI charges a sample library to use its Kontakt Player & to have an icon in the library window (vs just pulling up Kontakt-formatted sounds from your hard drive)? That would be a very interesting piece of information, just for curiosity's sake.

Kerry

[playz123]

It doesn't appear to me that most Symphobia owners are complaining a lot about the actual list price itself. Sure, everyone wishes it was $300 or whatever, but most of us understand that it costs a lot to produce and distribute a product like Symphobia 2, so we realize that we simply buy if we can afford it right now, or wait for better days if we can't. Most of the concerns I've seen are about the lack of purchase incentives for current owners of ProjectSam software, and IMHO, that's not the same thing as expressing concern about the list price of the product. In any case, Symphobia has proven its value here since I purchased it and also, based on a kind and informative reply from Marco at ProjectSam re. to some questions I sent to him recently, I've made my decision...in spite of the lack of incentives ...........frank

[keithjfuller]

I think what's pissing people off is nothing other than it being called Symphobia 2.

Put it this way - if Project Sam released a Piano library called Piano 1 then released a Kazoo library, nobody would complain about not getting a discount on the Kazoo library if they already owned Piano 1. But if for some strange reason they named it Piano 2, I bet everyone who owned Piano 1 would b@#$% and moan about not getting Piano 2 for a discount.

I know this seems ridiculous, but it's really what's going on here. This is a complete different library, it just has a similar name. Why would they give a discount?

I think the focus of this thread should be on the actual library itself.

[Tarkio]

Actually I agree, but I'll play devil's advocate. I saw Toy Story 1 and 2. Why didn't I get a discount when I saw Toy Story 3?

[composernyc]

Keith, I think you nailed it.

But I remain curious about what NI charges developers to use Kontakt Player & to add the little icon into the Library pane. It can't be cheap. Anyone know? Bueller?

Kerry

[davecos]

It doesn't appear to me that most Symphobia owners are complaining a lot about the actual list price itself. Sure, everyone wishes it was $300 or whatever, but most of us understand that it costs a lot to produce and distribute a product like Symphobia 2, so we realize that we simply buy if we can afford it right now, or wait for better days if we can't. Most of the concerns I've seen are about the lack of purchase incentives for current owners of ProjectSam software, and IMHO, that's not the same thing as expressing concern about the list price of the product. In any case, Symphobia has proven its value here since I purchased it and also, based on a kind and informative reply from Marco at ProjectSam re. to some questions I sent to him recently, I've made my decision...in spite of the lack of incentives ...........frank

Yeah, I am ordering from my local retailer. The legatos are just too good to pass up.

[Tarkio]

Yeah, I am ordering from my local retailer. The legatos are just too good to pass up.

I'm equally excited about the tutti recordings. If I stack too many individual samples for tutti I hit a point where it starts to sound a bit like digital mush to my ears. It will be nice to have a selection of already layered instruments with real acoustic interaction.

[davecos]

I'm equally excited about the tutti recordings. If I stack too many individual samples for tutti I hit a point where it starts to sound a bit like digital mush to my ears. It will be nice to have a selection of already layered instruments with real acoustic interaction.

Yes indeed. Stacked samples sound like an organ after awhile- UNLESS the sample developer used different instruments per section. Garritan Personal Orchestra actually does this for its sections so when you layer 1st flute, 2nd flute, etc in unison, they don't sound like the same sample layered. LA Scoring Strings also sampled divisi sections so you can build a very convincing string orchestra without sounding fake.

[Tarkio]

Now that we're into September, has anyone heard any updates on how soon Symphobia 2 will ship?

[playz123]

I was recently informed that "we are aiming to ship Symphobia 2 early September. It looks good!". I'm sure Project Sam will get it out as soon as they are ready.