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    Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    I mean seriously, does anybody use this piece of crap? It can't even do the most BASIC of tasks without crashing or screwing up the audio files in which it tries to produce. There are so many bugs with almost every version they release of this piece of trash that the developers must either be students, hacks, or both. How do people make records in this horrible program? It can't even bounce a track without constant Visual C++ Runtime Errors. Ugh! Trying to make music in this program is like trying to make an Olympic gymnast out of a girl that can't even walk in a straight line.

    OK. Rant over.
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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Been using Sonar since it was Cakewalk and came on floppies. Never had a problem with it crashing, not once ever.

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Well, now. Craig. not all share your opinion. I certainly don't experience the problems you experience. I work mostly with piano and organ. Now and then I use other solo instruments, which may account for our different experiences. I also use an older version of Sonar, Sonar 4, which does all that I require of it, easier and better than I can manage with Sibelius or other programs. I do most of my work in the staff view of Sonar, and when I am ready to produces a good looking score, I save my work as a midi type 1 file and import it to Sibelius. I have used this method since the days before Cakewalk became Sonar, with good results.

    Three points: never NEVER use fast bounce! and Never open a file except from within Sonar. Always wait for your defaults to load before opening a file.

    Have you tried re-installing Sonar, and installing the latest updates?

    Richard

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Well, the problem was that I was trying to track something out and mix it to a 24 track tape machine and it was screwing up. The problem, I found, was that I was using the fast-bounce option. I turned it off and it worked fine afterwards, so all is good now. I was just really mad at the time because I was on a deadline. However, I finished everything in time.
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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Comments like these under heat are rarely helpful. Being in the software development business myself, with a product used by tens of thousands, I know what it can be like - it is inevitable some people are going to have a bad experience, and some people are going to have a bad day, and when the two coincide, it can get ugly.

    But the reality is that personal attacks on the developers only turns them away from the forums and also encourages the companies involved from shielding the developers from this kind of messaging - exactly what the posters want to avoid.

    I have not had any significant problems with Sonar. But then I am a hobby/occasional user.

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    --!!--

    Well, we certainly got the picture that you were momentarily very frustrated, Craig, but I'm adding a big PLUS ONE to Alan's post. - How in the world did you think it was going to be useful to use the Forum for posting an over-the-top, incredibly angry rant that contained no real questions?

    I'm glad you figured out your problem - I know that people who use outboard hardware mixers have a more complicated time of it than folks who use the mixer in Sonar. Surprised you found energy and time to post this frothing-at-the-mouth thread when you were in the middle of your problems.

    But it's too bad we can't edit our own thread subject lines - This one is an eye-soar, and should be changed, or this pointless thread should just be deleted.

    --NOTE - I've used Cakewalk for years, like several others on this thread. Currently Cakewalk has a new, drastically different version of Sonar called X1, - and it's so new that many of us on the Cakewalk Forums feel it's not really ready for general use yet. It's been updated with one patch, and another patch fix is coming - I want to use this opportunity to strongly suggest that anyone considering buying the latest Sonar X1 should wait. I'm sure it will be fine eventually - just not yet.

    I'm still using Sonar 8.5.3 which is solid, superb, no crashing.

    Randy B.

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    I too have been using Cakewalk since it came on floppies (gaah, am I old or what?). I have never had any significant problems with it. Now using SONAR 8.5.3 and it is the best.

    The original post was not helpful - although I understand the need to rant - I do it frequently, especially when it comes to computer issues - plus, I started the Delete This! - Revival thread - talk about a useless and unhelpful posting! - but I have been using SONAR professionally, or one of its forms, for almost twenty years to great success.

    Early on when I joined this forum I made some declarative statements of opinion, similar to yours, about notation versus sequencing programs and was soundly trounced for it. I disagreed with the manner with which I was trounced, but in the long run I found the trouncing to be mostly justified. (Should I write "trounce" again? )

    Over the years I have realized that this board is one of the kindest, level-headed and most well-informed boards on the internet with years of deep experience freely shared by its users.

    So...your second post helped to ease things and level-headed Alan summed things up nicely.

    Keep on keepin' on!

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    I guess my post wasn't very helpful, so what, it works for me...

    I've had issues with 3rd party VST's but quickly found the culprit and sorted. I should've offered help to sort your issues but the tone of the post didn't compel me to do much about it, my apologies.

    I've been in the IT biz for over 30 years and long ago lost the frustration that software issues can cause, I now just see challenges and if it's something beyond my control I'd hope to be able to point out something constructive to the devs involved.

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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Monaghan View Post
    ...long ago lost the frustration that software issues can cause, I now just see challenges and if it's something beyond my control I'd hope to be able to point out something constructive to the devs involved.
    Hi Tony - I am getting better at that but my basic insecurity when dealing with computers and software gets in my way. I remember the early days of using jumpers and DIP switches and having to set one's own interrupts and DMA thingies and all of that stuff just gave me nightmares when I began! Things are much better now but I still don't trust installers or uninstallers very much.

    Better days are here!
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    Re: Let's just face it...Cakewalk SONAR is garbage...

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Hi Tony - I am getting better at that but my basic insecurity when dealing with computers and software gets in my way. I remember the early days of using jumpers and DIP switches and having to set one's own interrupts and DMA thingies and all of that stuff just gave me nightmares when I began! Things are much better now but I still don't trust installers or uninstallers very much.

    Better days are here!
    I saw those as simpler days, I was so at home setting DIP switches and configuring memory management. Roll on the better days indeed

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