Bass Rattles - Double bass and electric

[rbowser-]

G’day Randy,

You said:

“Hi, Herbert - You must not have seen the last several messages. He was unintentionally triggering the buzzing string sound which is played by the JABB basses at high velocity values. He wasn't clipping his recording. Once he lowered the velocities, of course those buzz samples weren't being played.

Randy”

Not so at all. My JABB basses do not rattle, not even at a velocity of 127. Are you suggesting that. Garritan Corporation has used broken basses and incompetent bass players to record the JABB samples.

Bassist wants to improve his use of his sample library. Let us take care to give the best advice.


Best wishes,

Herbert

Try the upright basses, Herbert. At the highest velocity there is a buzzing string sound, maybe more accurately described as a string slapping sound, purposely programmed that way. We're not talking about "broken basses" or "incompetent bass players."

I always take care to give the best advice, Herbert. It would be best to know what you're talking about before redundantly contradicting my posts.

The OP, "Bassist" knows what we're talking about. He reported that now that his velocities are under 127, he's not accidentally triggering that sound.

Randy

[sonata5920]

Randy,

Abusing various forum members from time to time including myself is not good. Giving and re-enforcing wrong advice is very bad.


Herbert.

[rbowser-]

Randy,

Abusing various forum members from time to time including myself is not good. Giving and re-enforcing wrong advice is very bad.


Herbert.

Herbert, this post from you is beyond absurd. The answer to the question on this thread was given several posts back, and I'm happy to say it was a case where my advice, my information, was totally correct. You're in some kind of Looking Glass world to turn these posts around and say it's ME who is abusive. You are consistently the most argumentative, contrary, unfriendly person on this Forum, and I really need to ask you to quit nipping at my heels.

Randy

[Haydn]

Randy's advice was quite correct. I don't see where he was abusing anyone. Randy spends much of his time giving advice on this forum and should be applauded for his help.

Jim

[sonata5920]

There is no doubt that Randy is a most important forum member. Unfortunately he gets very abusive if his view is not shared, to the extent that we have lost a number of forum members over time. Lots of matters are discussed. The fact that various views are put forward is important. It would be unusual if we always had the same views. Disagreeing with views including Randy’s views should not bring about abuse as above.

We don’t know what Bassist heard. Without more information we must assume that Bassist is a bass player. We should not dismiss Bassist’s knowledge of what basses sound like, but assume that he knows what he is talking about. Bassist did not think that what he heard was what basses sound like.

Randy’s solution was to limit the legitimate articulation of the basses by lowering the velocity. With this he clearly accuses Garritan Corporation of having produced samples that should not be played

My opinion is that Bassist needed to set the channel volume to a lower, more appropriate level, to get the right result.


Herbert

[Plowking]

You said 'Giving and re-enforcing wrong advice is very bad.'

That is precisely what you have done by stating "Unfortunately he gets very abusive if his view is not shared"

That statement is completely inaccurate and out of context.

For the matter at hand - I would say that I agree it can be one of two things. The high velocity triggered a clipping event, or the high velocity sample has 'player' artefacts such as an audible wood strike or string bounce or something.

Not unheard of because I have samples that have exactly that at max vel. - and it's there because at times you hear it in music and if you want to reproduce it you have that choice. For another library I have, there is a range of samples with this effect at the very max 127 - on purpose.

It's always ok to offer an alternate view - but to do so while completely demolishing anothers view on it just causes these scenarios. Respect should be maintained. Think before you write.

[Haydn]

Herbert,

Do you have JABB library? Randy and I both have the library and we know that the top sample has this click sound from when a bassist really grabs the strings and pops against the fretboard. So we know it is not distortion in the sound.

I was a beta tester of JABB and was one of the folks going over every sample looking for distortion, audio artifacts, bad loops, etc. There is no clipping in these waveforms. Tom Hopkins who recorded and programmed the library is very meticulous in his work and wouldn't let clipped waveforms in the library. In the years I've tested Garritan libraries, the only time I've run across any problems is usually just pops in loops. I don't remember any clipped waveforms.

Jim

[sonata5920]

Hi Jim,

You said:

“Herbert,

Do you have JABB library? Randy and I both have the library and we know that the top sample has this click sound from when a bassist really grabs the strings and pops against the fretboard. So we know it is not distortion in the sound.

I was a beta tester of JABB and was one of the folks going over every sample looking for distortion, audio artifacts, bad loops, etc. There is no clipping in these waveforms. Tom Hopkins who recorded and programmed the library is very meticulous in his work and wouldn't let clipped waveforms in the library. In the years I've tested Garritan libraries, the only time I've run across any problems is usually just pops in loops. I don't remember any clipped waveforms.”

Neither Randy nor I have said that the bass samples clip.

Yes, I do have Jabb und use particularly the upright basses. I am a bassist myself and am a perfectionist when it comes to sampled basses. I have many other basses, but mostly use Jabb basses. It’s sounds are very natural, particularly when used in small ensembles. With the Jabb basses, I have never come across an unnatural sound.

Randy tells “Bassist” not to use the full range of velocity with the Jabb basses. After “Bassist had lowered the velocity, he was ok with his sound. The conclusion could only have been that the channel volume had been too high.

Setting the right levels is often a problem for new midi musicians. Members of this forum deserve to be given correct advice.


Herbert

[Bassist]

Randy,
Thanks for solving my problem. Your answer corrected the
problem. The others didn't but I appreciated their attempts.

B

[Bassist]

We don’t know what Bassist heard.

Randy apparently knew what was happening and his advice
solved the problem.

My opinion is that Bassist needed to set the channel volume to
a lower, more appropriate level, to get the right result.
Herbert

Your suggestion didn't work, but thanks for trying.

Bassist