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    Trouble with Mixing

    So far I have only used Garritan since this last Christmas, and I am having a blast. I am now working on a piece that is for orchestra. The strings, woods, brass, and timpani are now completed and mixed exactly how I want them. Now comes the nervous part, I want to add some new sounds from IO such as earth drums, the choir patches, and other percussion sounds and effects. I composed the earth drum parts, mixed them in with the timpani, and was quite happy with the result. It sounded like tom toms on monster energy drink, but when I played it back with the entire mix, I could not really "hear" the drums, but I "felt" them instead. When it played with just the timpani it was wonderful, but got lost with the entire mix. In the entire mix, you can hear the timpani quite well. Just wondering if you have any advice. I know the first thing to do is to turn everything down, of course but I'm so happy with the mix as of right now. Randy, what earth drums did you use for your demo?

    Also, has anyone tried to use the Garrian choir samples for anything fast? My tempo is quarter=160, or are the choirs just simply used for slower, more "beautiful" or "peaceful" sustained works?

    So I just finished the double bass and contra bassoon parts. What I have left is the percussion, sound effects, and maybe choir (maybe even the horrid choir.) Whatcha think?
    ~Rodney

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    Re: Trouble with Mixing

    I am very unmasterly at EQ-ing but I have found, especially with the more resonant drums, that rolling off the lower end of the spectrum can produce a more pleasing mix. I think it helps the lower drums (the "boomier" drums) not argue with the lower frequencies. I was surprised at how the impact of the drum still came through but the boominess was moderated.

    I have not used any of the Garritan Choirs for any fast executions. I have used them in uptempo works but their values and lines are usually long - not many "short" notes.

    EDIT: Rolling off the lower end of the Basses (ContraBasses) works for me as well.
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    Re: Trouble with Mixing

    Cut your low frequencies from about 30hz and below. Also watch the reverb as this muddies up the low end of the mix. Best to have the reverb also EQ'ed to cut the very low and very high frequencies of the reverb signal. A good reverb plug in should have it's own EQ options.
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    Re: Trouble with Mixing

    I’m using Finale 2012 and Garritan liobraries. Exactly how does one equalize reverb and cut the very low and mid frequencies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Davis View Post
    I’m using Finale 2012 and Garritan liobraries. Exactly how does one equalize reverb and cut the very low and mid frequencies?
    Well, Tom - There's another reason for you to dig into your Cubase manual! Doing real mixing, with all tools available, is what goes on in the DAW software environment.

    Randy

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    Re: Trouble with Mixing

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    I am very unmasterly at EQ-ing but I have found, especially with the more resonant drums, that rolling off the lower end of the spectrum can produce a more pleasing mix. I think it helps the lower drums (the "boomier" drums) not argue with the lower frequencies. I was surprised at how the impact of the drum still came through but the boominess was moderated.

    I have not used any of the Garritan Choirs for any fast executions. I have used them in uptempo works but their values and lines are usually long - not many "short" notes.

    EDIT: Rolling off the lower end of the Basses (ContraBasses) works for me as well.
    Thank you so much for your comments. My goal for today is to compose the snare drum part and wait for the "boomier" drums until this weekend. While selecting my sounds last night, I noticed that the higher snare drum part made its presents known, and I did not have to change the mix one bit. I will see if I can moderated the lower ends of the bass drums and other effects when I get to them soon.
    ~Rodney

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    Re: Trouble with Mixing

    Quote Originally Posted by composingatnight View Post
    Thank you so much for your comments. My goal for today is to compose the snare drum part and wait for the "boomier" drums until this weekend. While selecting my sounds last night, I noticed that the higher snare drum part made its presents known, and I did not have to change the mix one bit. I will see if I can moderated the lower ends of the bass drums and other effects when I get to them soon.
    ~Rodney
    Sounds like Snare, Triangle, Piccolo etc usually cut through a large ensemble very easily (in real-life as well as in VST life). If anything they may need their high end trimmed but I rarely do that.
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