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    Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    I finished working on the second movement of Hanson's Symphony No. 3 for Wind Ensemble. If I have one issue it's with the trumpets in GPO4. This movement is such a lovely piece I really wanted a softer trumpet sound. I tried using the trumpets from JABB and the trumpets from COMB. None of them sounded as I really wanted them to. I even tried the Flugelhorns from JABB, but they were too quiet and didn't have that "trumpet sound." So I reverted back to GPO4 trumpets.

    Here is the 2nd movement. Enjoy.

    https://www.box.com/s/fes8asltpjfr1lsg8owx
    Serenity Musician Productions (Gary A.)

    Lenovo ThinksStation S30, Windows 10 Professional 64-bit, 20 gig ram, 2 terabyte hd., M-Audio Fast Track, Finale25, Sonar Professional

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Allow me to be the first to stand up, giving you a big, hearty round of applause, Gary.

    Your recording sounds great - A really good job with a dramatic and interesting piece of music.

    Trumpets - Yes, they're always a problem, unfortunately. Perhaps flugels and trumpets layered together with a severe EQ cut in the high frequencies of the trumpets - that could be an experiment. But it's always a hassle to make these trumpets we have to work with sound the way we want. You're not alone. And what you have with the trumpets here works just fine.

    Great - Thanks for sharing this, Gary.

    Randy

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Wow, this is quite an undertaking with such a lovely piece of music, and I really like the way it sounds! Is the score available for review? To my ear, percussion was pretty soft. I probably would have made (or added) a few cymbal crashes and suspended cymbal rolls a bit louder--like the cymbal crash at 7:11. I do really like the sound of this--it's clean, not muddy. I'd love to hear this played by real players! Way ta' go!

    Art
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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Quote Originally Posted by serenitymusician View Post
    I finished working on the second movement of Hanson's Symphony No. 3 for Wind Ensemble. If I have one issue it's with the trumpets in GPO4. This movement is such a lovely piece I really wanted a softer trumpet sound. I tried using the trumpets from JABB and the trumpets from COMB. None of them sounded as I really wanted them to. I even tried the Flugelhorns from JABB, but they were too quiet and didn't have that "trumpet sound." So I reverted back to GPO4 trumpets.

    Here is the 2nd movement. Enjoy.

    https://www.box.com/s/fes8asltpjfr1lsg8owx
    I love wind ensemble music, and I am about to take a listen. Right quick though I fight with the trumpet sound in GPO4 also. I end up messing with the eq to the extreme turning the "bass" all the way up and the "treble" all the way down especially on the trumpet 1 solo. Here are some trumpet samples I made a while back: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...t=trumpet+dark
    ~Rodney

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Holy mackerel! What a great thread on trumpet sounds! Thank you, Rodney, for doing and posting the experiment (back in July!), and to Randy for all that great information. I picked up a lot of good information there.
    Arthur J. Michaels
    https://www.facebook.com/composerarthurjmichaels

    Finale 2000 through Finales 25.4 (currently using Finale 25.4)
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    Dell 2408 WFP, 1920x1200
    M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496
    M-Audio AV-40 monitors

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    I wish I knew how to get my GPO to sound like that. I use Sonar X1 Studio as well but can not get the same sort of rendering that you have managed with this. It gives me hope any way that if I continue to experiment I can improve.

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Thank you to everyone for all your kind comments.

    Randy, thank you all your help with getting me this far with working with Sonar and being able to produce renditions that can sound this good. I feel like such a novice with Sonar, but you have helped me get further along than I ever thought possible.

    Art, I was fortunate enough to hear the University of Wisconsin of Milwaukee's Wind Ensemble read this for me in it's entirety a year ago. I was absolutely amazed how wonderful it sounded. I'm hoping it won't be the last time I hear it live. I'm so glad you enjoyed this. This is the only movement I didn't make any cuts. I did glockenspiel because I thought that added just a little bit of sparkle.

    Rodney, I really liked the link you left. I will examine that more carefully to help with future renderings that require a softer trumpet. That's a big help, thank you!

    Richard, I have the same copy of Sonar X1 as you do. Randy has really helped me a lot figure out how to utilize it. Drop him a PM and I'm sure he'd be glad to help with rendering. I'm so glad you enjoyed the piece!
    Serenity Musician Productions (Gary A.)

    Lenovo ThinksStation S30, Windows 10 Professional 64-bit, 20 gig ram, 2 terabyte hd., M-Audio Fast Track, Finale25, Sonar Professional

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Here are some links to give you an idea how the trumpets sound with a full orchestra full example:
    Trumpet Test with Full Orchestra: (I used trumpet solo 1 with trumpet 1 players 1, 2, 3) https://www.box.com/s/xcz4m9jqd14dr4n8zx7r
    Trumpet Test with Auto-Legato: https://www.box.com/s/33cd8522b9ecf354ad6c
    Trumpet Score: https://www.box.com/s/mo9qewew1vmufv88nefc
    All the Files:https://www.box.com/s/a9c1cd77b2ceb7cbfc61
    ~Rodney

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Hi Gary,


    This is quite a job you've done with this Hanson piece. I'm sure you've learnt a lot scoring all this music! And you've done it marvellously. It sounds great. And yes again, trumpets are always difficult and through this wonderful forum and the efforts of so many composers we've all been instructed and given examples how to make the best of it. You've realised a good set of trumpets, maybe not perfect, but very acceptable.

    Thanks for your effort!

    Max

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    Re: Movement 2 - Howard Hanson's Symphony No. 3 - New Rendition

    Great job on rendering such a complicated piece of music.

    One option on the trumpets is IK Multimedia's Miroslave Philharmonic. The trumpet sections seem to have a softer sound when I compared them to GPO4 and COMB. There is a version for $79 but this summer the full version was on sale for $49. Miroslav Philharmonic works well with the Garritan libraries.

    Here's a short demo of the Miroslav trumpet section samples.

    Trumpets




    Phil

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